| IVOD_ID |
149804 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149804 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-20-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-13T11:46:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-13T11:59:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7ed54bd69a3b6903e3bb8be7dd82b355b77cff0621b76d91f8ba9b0039caa7a6c2d5238c042452c75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅明才 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:46:55 - 11:59:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處朱主計長澤民、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。
【3月13日及14日二天一次會】） |
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羅委員明才：（11時47分）主席、各位委員、出列席官員，大家好。主席，請主計長。 |
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主席：請主計長。 |
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朱主計長澤民：委員好。 |
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羅委員明才：主計長，你好。你在這個位置擔任很久了，可以說是一夫當關，萬夫莫敵，一個人擋在那邊…… |
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朱主計長澤民：沒有啦！我是在這邊服務委員的。 |
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羅委員明才：主計長做了很多的事情，我想請教一下10年前臺灣的貧富差距大概是多少？到了今天臺灣的貧富差距又是多少？ |
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朱主計長澤民：如果分為五等分，10年前最高的時候是6.3到6.4之間，而目前是6.15，謝謝。 |
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羅委員明才：所以你的意思是說貧富差距變少了？ |
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朱主計長澤民：最近幾年是稍微有提高一點，但是跟前面您講的10年前還是稍微有下降。 |
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羅委員明才：你講的這個數據，你自己講得很開心…… |
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朱主計長澤民：我們可以把資料拿來看，我可以把那個圖給委員看。 |
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羅委員明才：主計長有可能即將離去喔！離去的時候…… |
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朱主計長澤民：你想詛咒我啊！ |
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主席：即將離去！ |
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羅委員明才：你要跟拜登一樣連任，要繼續再擔任主計長？ |
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朱主計長澤民：我不會啦！我不會啦！我的任期，我的派令是蔡總統發的，他5月19號離開，我也是5月19號離開。 |
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羅委員明才：我想民調數據可能也會說話啦！主計長在一般民眾的心裡會覺得是應該要做一點事情的，是應該要把環境改善好的，是應該對於社會上的一些弱勢負責，針對一些「富者越富，貧者越貧」的情況，要做點事把它拉近。 |
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朱主計長澤民：跟委員報告一下…… |
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羅委員明才：應該讓所有的年輕人感到未來是充滿希望的，本席在這裡…… |
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朱主計長澤民：我們這幾年社會福利的支出已經提高到占總預算大概百分之二十六點幾，大部分支出都用在社會福利上。 |
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羅委員明才：你可以說，但是年輕人會覺得不滿足啊！你想想看一顆茶葉蛋，請問一下現在茶葉蛋一顆多少錢？ |
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朱主計長澤民：價格不一樣啦！你問的我有準備啦！ |
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羅委員明才：你隨便講一個7-ELEVEN的價格。 |
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朱主計長澤民：茶葉蛋在全家、萊爾富、OK一顆13塊啦！7-ELEVEN還是10塊，18塊的是所長蛋啦！ |
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羅委員明才：所長蛋還有一顆19塊的。 |
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朱主計長澤民：我不會再被你騙了。 |
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羅委員明才：你去查了很清楚，所以你更應該要瞭解到年輕人一般民眾心裡的痛苦，以前我們去吃一個蛋，一個蛋才5塊啊！現在吃一個蛋要十幾塊，主計長還這樣笑嘻嘻的，其實我心裡是覺得蠻難過的，因為我們常講…… |
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朱主計長澤民：7-ELEVEN一顆10塊錢很久了。 |
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羅委員明才：一葉知秋，我覺得這個叫做「一蛋知愁」啊！一顆蛋就可以瞭解到民眾的內心是多麼的憂愁，在臺灣每個年輕人，就好像是一隻鐵籠裡面的松鼠一直轉、一直轉。請問主計長，他哪一天可以下來、可以看到外面的陽光？看不到嘛！因為薪資永遠趕不上物價的上漲，一般的民眾每天就好像是機器人一樣，人是活的、心是死的，在臺灣永遠看不到他的未來，看不到璀璨瑰麗的明天。主計長，在此時，我們把所有的視野都關著，關在臺灣自己看，然後看著數字覺得，哇！宣布的好開心。我請教一下主計長，現在新加坡平均的實質薪資是多少？ |
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朱主計長澤民：新加坡因為物價水準高，他們的薪資大概接近我們的1.7倍、1.8倍。 |
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羅委員明才：算兩倍。 |
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朱主計長澤民：可是他們的生活費用是很貴的。 |
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羅委員明才：沒關係，你慢慢一條一條來算，至少他們1個月平均可能領新臺幣8萬以上，你知道現在有多少臺灣的年輕人不要在臺灣工作，寧願跑到新加坡去工作，很多外流人才、金融人才…… |
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朱主計長澤民：跟委員報告一下，新加坡的生活水準大概是臺灣的兩倍以上。 |
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羅委員明才：很多人都跑出去了，很多人心裡的想法是，我去新加坡工作沒關係，我每天吃泡麵，我辛苦一點，我挨個3年、5年，我可以賺的盆滿缽滿，錢就可以累積很多，可以賺很多的錢，至少忍個幾年回來就有一些收入，可是在臺灣目前的情況就是三個字「苦、苦、苦」。主計長，你可能即將要離去，沒有什麼壓力了，所以我希望你應該要勇敢去做你內心認為真正對臺灣人民好、可以照顧年輕人的事情。 |
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朱主計長澤民：我們也做了很多政策…… |
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羅委員明才：與其錢亂亂花，倒不如去年稅收超徵…… |
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朱主計長澤民：我們沒有亂花、我們沒有亂花。 |
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羅委員明才：這些超徵的錢在今年度每一個人就發1萬塊的紅包…… |
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朱主計長澤民：貴黨都說不要用第八十四條…… |
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羅委員明才：不要再騙我說沒錢了，每次都說沒錢，最後還不是照發…… |
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朱主計長澤民：第八十三條第四款不要用，那個發紅包就是用第八十三條第四款，又會說我們大撒幣。 |
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羅委員明才：最後也是發了，立法院你也很清楚，每次講不行的，最後都行。你不要把人民的血汗錢花在浪費的特別預算上面…… |
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朱主計長澤民：我們沒有浪費啊！ |
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羅委員明才：與其亂亂花，倒不如趕緊來照顧年輕人，年輕人多麼盼望你的1萬塊，你上次1萬塊沒有發，結果發6,000塊，我沒有去領…… |
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朱主計長澤民：感謝你對國庫的貢獻…… |
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羅委員明才：我表達了實質的抗議，你如果給我1萬塊，我1萬塊也會捐出去，但是我希望今年你可以從善如流，不要亂花錢，把錢發給每個民眾，一人普發現金1萬塊，發給每個人紅包1萬塊，主計長能不能最後做點好事？ |
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朱主計長澤民：錢可能要用在更恰當的方向，可能要花在更恰當的方向。 |
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羅委員明才：沒有，你所用的前瞻，很多現在都是蚊子館…… |
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朱主計長澤民：沒有啦！前瞻我們都是做安坑線啊！是羅委員的選區啊！ |
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羅委員明才：很多都是浪費錢，效益都沒做到……安坑線有做到，我要謝謝你，但是很多沒有做到的啊！做得好，我們會獎勵，可是做不好的實在太多、太多了，唯一的要求，就是一個人發1萬。 |
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剛剛有講到台電，現在又塑造即將漲價的氛圍，其實民眾已經受不了啦！主計長應該要講點良心話，台電如果漲價漲10%，影響所有的市農工商，我們所面臨的吃吃喝喝、交通會不會漲？早餐店會不會漲？另外一波可怕的漲幅即將在電價漲10%以後又陸續展開。請問主計長，你能不能保證所有授薪階級、所有年輕人的薪資也可以漲10%？ |
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朱主計長澤民：跟委員報告一下，我們台電的漲價是考慮到台電的成本，我們不能夠一直用那個預算去貼補，因為不是每年都有稅收超徵。 |
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羅委員明才：主計長又來了，選前說不會缺電啊！臺灣不缺電，選前騙選票，選後又繼續要跟人民撈鈔票來補貼台電…… |
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朱主計長澤民：缺電跟電價反映成本是兩回事。 |
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羅委員明才：那你為什麼要漲？ |
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朱主計長澤民：目前我不曉得現在…… |
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羅委員明才：那台電為什麼要漲？ |
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朱主計長澤民：台電要漲，王部長也講過，它的電費是在成本之下。 |
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羅委員明才：那你為什麼選前說臺灣不缺電？ |
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朱主計長澤民：我沒有講不缺電，而且臺灣目前也沒有缺電…… |
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羅委員明才：蔡英文總統的錄影帶可以調出來啊！他說臺灣不缺電的啊！ |
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朱主計長澤民：我沒有說不缺電…… |
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羅委員明才：如果你反映…… |
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朱主計長澤民：現在目前也沒有所謂的缺電。 |
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羅委員明才：那你說臺灣缺不缺電？ |
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朱主計長澤民：目前沒有。 |
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羅委員明才：目前，那明天會不會有？ |
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朱主計長澤民：我不曉得，那個是……缺電不缺電，我不是主管機關。 |
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羅委員明才：你在不曉得的情況、未來不知的情況，你來恐嚇人民一定要漲10%，不然台電會倒，台電倒跟一般授薪階級有什麼關係？政府要讓它不要倒啊！你可以軍購，幾千億、幾千億這樣花，那你為什麼要讓台電倒？ |
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朱主計長澤民：跟委員報告，那個是兩回事，不能類比。 |
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羅委員明才：還有一個，美國現在編列預算，說要給臺灣一個預算，請問主計長，臺灣可以接受其他國家編列的預算嗎？你這個帳上怎麼算？ |
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朱主計長澤民：那個帳的話，他們來就是看……我不曉得他們捐的方式，如果捐的是錢，我們當然會列在預算裡面，如果捐的是物資，那國防部會列帳冊管理，謝謝。 |
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羅委員明才：請問他們編的項目是要做什麼用？ |
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朱主計長澤民：我不曉得，因為我沒有看到…… |
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羅委員明才：是補助台電呢？還是編的預算要分給我們每個人1萬塊當作基金？ |
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朱主計長澤民：我不曉得台電對電價的補助跟美國的…… |
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羅委員明才：如果他是編武器的話，那我覺得這個不妥當吧！在其他的國家編武器，鼓勵兩邊趕快去打仗，為什麼不編一個和平基金，鼓勵兩岸趕快來洽談和平的事項？兩岸不要打仗、兩岸不要打架，這才是編好的預算嘛！ |
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朱主計長澤民：今天是人家要打我們，人家援助我們，我們很感謝，我們並沒有要去打人家，謝謝。 |
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羅委員明才：這個就好像以前在小學唸書，一方面叫人家「乖、乖、乖」，有的同學就慫恿你「打他、打他」打另外一個人，打完以後，我買乖乖給你吃，這是什麼邏輯？我們希望的是兩岸和平，我們不需要拿到預算買武器，那你買武器，對方說他也要買武器，兩邊就變成軍事競購，這對臺灣好嗎？ |
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朱主計長澤民：我們也需要和平，可是現在是人家對我們…… |
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羅委員明才：最後，因為時間到了，今年的經濟成長率預測是多少？ |
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朱主計長澤民：今年的經濟成長率，我們目前預估是3.43。 |
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羅委員明才：OK，我希望還是要體恤全民的辛苦，就好像臺灣的股市，現在已經2萬點又上上下下、上上下下的，真正賺到錢的少之又少，整個股市就一支台積電，武林獨出一尊，就是靠台積電在撐盤，可是百工百業蕭條的還是很多啊！我希望主計長考量的還是多數民眾的利益，大家要的是生存，大家想的是生活，謝謝。 |
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朱主計長澤民：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝羅委員。 |
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接著我們請王世堅委員。 |
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128 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-1-20-3 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
羅明才 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
林德福 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
吳秉叡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
郭國文 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
賴惠員 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
李彥秀 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
黃珊珊 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
顏寬恒 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
李坤城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
陳玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
王世堅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
謝衣鳯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
33 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-03-13 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1131301 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
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立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請行政院主計總處朱主計長澤民、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質
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我們請羅明才委員主席各位出列席官員大家好主席請朱記長朱記長你好 |
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你在這個位置等了很久了可以說是一夫當光萬夫莫及沒有啦我是我在這邊服務委員十年前台灣的貧富懸殊大概是多少 |
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今天台灣的貧富懸殊又是多少?就是如果分為五等份的話十年前那個最高的時候是6.3到6.4級到6.3到6.4間到目前是6.15謝謝 |
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所以你意思說貧富懸殊變低了最近幾年稍微有提高一點但是跟前面的您講的10年前是稍微還是有下降你講的這個數據喔你自己講的很開心我們可以把那個資料拿來看看但是我可以把那個圖給那個委員看你有可能即將離去喔離去的時候臨終秋波啊 |
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你一定要跟拜登一樣要繼續要再擔任主計長我不會啦我不會啦我的任期蔡總統他的是我的派列是他發的他5月19日離開我也是5月19日離開那個民調數據可能也會說話就是主計長在一般民眾的心裡 |
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是覺得他應該要做點事情的他是應該要把環境改善好的他是應該對於社會上的一些弱勢一些負責越負的情況貧者越貧的情況應該要做點事把他拉近應該讓所有的年輕人 |
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對你可以說但是年輕人他會覺得不滿足啊你想想看 |
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一顆茶葉蛋請問一下茶葉蛋一顆多少錢價格不一樣啦你問我我我準備啦對不對茶葉蛋啦那個全家來OK的一顆15塊啦13塊啦7-11還是10塊18塊的是手掌蛋啦手掌蛋那個還有一個是19塊的我不會再被你騙啦對不對 |
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對你去查了很清楚所以你要更應該要了解到年輕人一般民眾心裡的痛苦以前我們去吃一個蛋一個蛋才五塊啊現在吃一個蛋要十幾塊主計長你還這樣笑嘻嘻的其實我心裡是覺得蠻難過的齁因為我們常講說一夜之秋 |
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我覺得這個叫什麼一旦知愁啊一顆蛋就可以了解到民眾的內心是多麼的憂愁每個年輕人在台灣就好像是一隻鐵籠裡面的松鼠一直轉一直轉那請問主計長他哪一天他可以下來他可以看到外面的陽光看不到嘛因為薪資永遠趕不上物價的上漲 |
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一般的民眾啊就每天就好像是一個機器人一樣人是活的心是死的在台灣他看不到他永遠的未來看不到摧殘規律的明天 |
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主計長在此同時我們都把那個這個所有的視野都關著關在台灣自己看然後看的數字覺得哇宣布的好開心那我請教一下主計長現在新加坡平均的實質薪資是多少 |
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新加坡因為他物價水準高他們大概薪資大概接近我們的大概是1.7倍1.8倍可是他的生活費用是很貴的沒關係你慢慢一條一條來算所以至少他一個月平均是可能領新台幣8萬以上 |
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你知道現在有多少台灣的年輕人他不要在台灣工作寧願跑到新加坡去工作很多外流的人才金融的人才很多人都跑出去了很多人他的心理想法就是說我去新加坡工作沒關係我每天吃泡麵我辛苦一點我挨個三年五年我可以賺得奔滿 |
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對錢就可以累積很多可以賺很多的錢至少人個幾年回來就有一些收入可是在台灣目前的情況就是三個字苦苦苦 |
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所以我希望主計長你在可能即將要離去的這個時間你也沒有什麼壓力的你應該把你內心真正對台灣人民好對年輕人可以照顧的事情你要勇敢去做比如說 |
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與其錢亂亂花倒不如去年稅收超徵我們沒有亂花我們沒有亂花每一個人今年度就發一萬塊的紅包不要再騙我說沒錢了每次都說沒錢最後還不是照發83條第4款不要用那個發紅包就是利用83條第4款那個又會碰到那個最後也是發了 |
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立法院你也很清楚每次講不行的最後都行你不要把人民的血汗錢花在浪費的這個特別預算上面我們與其亂花倒不如趕緊來照顧年輕人年輕人多麼盼望你的一萬塊你上次一萬塊沒有發結果你發六千塊我沒有去理 |
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我表達了實質的抗議因為你如果給我一萬塊我一萬塊我會捐出去但是我希望今年你可以從善如流不要讓他發錢把錢發給每個民眾一人普發現金一萬塊發給每個人紅包一萬塊主計長你能不能最後做點好事 |
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我錢可能要用在更恰當的方向可能要發在更恰當的方向沒有,你所用的這個錢簪啊很多現在都是蚊子管沒有啦,錢簪我們就做安根縣啊消費都沒做到安根縣有做到我要謝謝你啊但是很多沒有做到的啊做得好我們會獎勵可是做不好的實在太多太多了就是唯一的要求就一個人發一萬 |
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那剛剛有講到說台電可能現在即將又要塑造這個氛圍要漲價其實民眾已經受不了啦主計長你應該要講點良心的話齁就是台電如果漲價漲10%那以後所有的士農工商我們所面臨的吃吃喝喝交通會不會漲我們早餐店會不會漲 |
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另外一波可怕的漲幅即將在電價上10%以後又陸續漲開那請問 |
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主計長你能不能保證所有壽星階級所有年輕人薪資也可以漲10%今天委員報告一下我們這個台電的漲價倒是考慮到他台電的那個成本我們不能夠一直說用那個預算去貼補因為不是每年都有稅收超出主計長那又來了 |
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選前說不會缺電阿台灣不缺電選前騙選票選後又繼續要跟人民撈鈔票來補貼台電缺是對嗎 |
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那你為什麼要找?那台電為什麼要找?那你為什麼說台灣不缺電?選錢啊? |
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我們也講說不缺電了而且台灣目前也沒有說有缺電台灣目前也沒有所謂的缺電了那你說台灣缺不缺電目前沒有目前明天會不會有我不曉得那個是對你在明天不曉得的情況在未來不知的情況你來恐嚇人民說一定要漲10%不然台電會倒 |
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台電倒跟一般的獸心皆喜有什麼關係?你政府要讓它不要倒啊你可以買軍購花幾千億幾千億這樣花那你為什麼要讓台電倒?還有一個美國現在他編列預算說要給台灣一個預算那請問 |
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主計長台灣可以接受其他國家編列的預算嗎那你這個帳上怎麼算沒有他那個帳的話他們來就是說看是我不曉得他捐的方式如果捐的是錢我們當然會列在那個預算裡面如果捐的是物資那個國防部會列帳冊管理謝謝 |
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請問他編的項目是要做什麼用?是補助台電呢?還是編的預算要分給我們每個人一萬塊當作基金?你如果他是編武器的話,那我覺得這個不妥當吧? |
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你在其他的國家編武器鼓勵大家趕快兩邊去打仗你為什麼不編一個和平基金讓兩岸鼓勵趕快來洽談和平的事項兩岸不要打仗兩岸不要打架今天是人家要打我們人家援助我們很感謝我們並沒有要去打人家謝謝你這個就好像以前小學在念書的時候一方面叫人家乖乖乖然後有的同學就慫恿你打他你打他打你 |
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打完以後買乖乖給你吃這是什麼邏輯我們希望的是兩岸的和平我們不是需要拿到的預算然後買武器那你買武器對方說他要買武器兩邊就變成軍事的一個競購 |
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對台灣有好嗎?我們也需要和平可是現在是人家對我們最後因為時間到了那個今年的經濟成長率預測是多少今年的經濟成長率我們目前的預估是3.43 |
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我希望還是要體恤所有全民的辛苦就好像臺灣的股市現在已經兩萬點又上上下下上上下下的真正賺到錢的少之又少整個股市就一直台積電 |
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711.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
謝謝羅委員 |
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王世堅委員 |