| IVOD_ID |
149548 |
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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149548 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-36-4 |
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第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
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司法及法制委員會 |
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第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
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| 開始時間 |
2024-03-07T11:46:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-07T11:53:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:34 |
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| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:46:15 - 11:53:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請法務部部長率所屬單位主管列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（11時46分）主席、各位委員、部長、法務部所有官員。法務部的業務報告通常都會比較少著墨原住民的部分，原住民族基本法第三十條是在民國94年2月5日公布施行，施行到現在已經非常、非常久了，裡面特別提到，政府處理原住民族事務、制定法律或實施司法與行政救濟程序、公證、調解、仲裁或類似程序，應尊重原住民族之族語，尊重族語的部分都非常落實，唯一落實的就是族語，通譯的部分都很落實；接下來還有尊重傳統習俗、文化及價值觀，保障其合法權益，這部分亟待加強。同條第二項是政府為保障原住民族之司法權益，得設置原住民族法院或法庭，當然這個都沒有；但是專庭的部分，我在101年開始擔任立法委員，我那時候就質詢當時的司法院秘書長，就設了專庭，沒有設原住民族法院，就設了原住民族的專庭，如果有涉及到原住民族案件，就有一個專庭，法務部也配合原住民族案件，設有專責檢察官。實施了這麼多年，從101年開始實施到現在，這個原住民案件專責檢察官的部分亟待加強，我們知道檢察官都很忙，所以相關的訓練、對原住民族的傳統習俗及文化價值觀的瞭解，這個部分一直做得不夠。我之前曾經針對一個案子，不知道部長當時在不在場？這個案子是兩年前一個八十幾歲的老先生，他從小父母親就留下來的土地、從小跟著父母親一起耕種的土地，而且那塊土地是原住民保留地，因為鄉公所的一個錯誤，把地出租給瑞穗牧場，結果打官司，提出訴訟，檢察官起訴，然後一審判他敗訴，要服有期徒刑，他一看這個判決，不到一個禮拜就過世了，他原本身體很好，看了判決不到一個禮拜就過世了。現在上網看還是看得到這個案子，結果這個判決是錯誤的，後來發現是錯誤的，是怎麼樣的錯誤？法官是用山坡地保育利用條例第三十七條來判他有期徒刑，結果一查，他的地不是行政院所核定公告的山坡地，因為山坡地跟山坡地保育區不一樣，山坡地保育區不等於山坡地，何況那個又是原住民保留地，所以這個就是因為不瞭解才會這樣判，這個部分也沒辦法上訴，因為他過世了，不能上訴，說要再審，也不讓他再審，這個人就揹了一生的污名。這個部分是一個需要解決的部分，所以加強原住民族案件專案檢察官的訓練這個部分一直做得不夠，針對這個部分，請法務部針對這5年來對原住民族案件專責檢察官，你們到底有辦怎麼樣的訓練，提供這部分的資料，可以嗎？ |
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蔡部長清祥：謝謝委員的指教。其實我們也有在辦，都有在辦，但是可以再加強，尤其可以請對原住民文化有深入瞭解的專家學者來跟我們上課，我們會再加強。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好。最後，刑事訴訟法第九十五條，也是我在101年開始當立法委員時，我正好在司法及法制委員會，我提出修正，特別增加了訊問被告時原住民得選任辯護人的條文，現在要去加強的部分是什麼呢？你們回去可以統計這5年來的一項數據，如果依刑事訴訟法第九十五條，訊問被告需要請辯護人，警界部分你們可能比較沒有，但最起碼在檢察官的部分，但是連請檢察官當辯護人都很少，因為警方移送的時間很短，如果問被告要不要申請律師，因為還要等，所以大概都是簽不用申請，造成這一條條文沒有辦法落實。所以你們就是要去檢討這個過程，有的事情其實沒有那麼急，為什麼非得要從警方那邊直接就送過去？其實可以讓他先回去，因為律師也不是那麼容易就可以請來，還要有一些程序，所以這個部分一直沒有辦法落實，這個部分是不是也去檢討，好不好？ |
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蔡部長清祥：好。謝謝委員指教。不過這是法律所要求的一個程序，一定要踐行，至於人力的不足，律師不夠…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：現在踐行的方式就是簽不用，現在都是這樣，拿統計數字就知道了。好不好？ |
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蔡部長清祥：好。我們瞭解，我們去瞭解看看。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好。謝謝。 |
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主席：接下來我們請徐欣瑩委員。 |
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上午的會議時間，我們持續進行到所有的發言登記委員都詢答結束為止。 |
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接下來請徐欣瑩委員、徐欣瑩委員、徐欣瑩委員。 |
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接下來請王世堅委員發言。 |
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主席各位委員部長還有法務部的所謂的長官官員有關今天法務部的業務報告當然通常都會比較少著墨原住民的部分 |
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原住民族基本法第30條是在民國94年2月5日公布施行施行到現在已經非常非常久了這裡面特別提到政府處理原住民族事務制定法例或實施司法與行政救濟程序公正調解仲裁或劣勢程序應尊重原住民族的族裔 |
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主義的部分都非常落實唯一落實的就是主義通義的部分都很落實接下來的傳統習俗文化及價值觀保障其合法權益這部分就是期待加強 |
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那這個第二項政府為保障原住民組織司法權益得設置原住民組法院或法庭當然這個都沒有但是專庭的部分我在101年開始擔任這個立法委員所以我那時候就質詢當時的司法院的秘書長就設了專庭就沒有到這個法院是專庭原住民組的專庭 |
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如果涉及到原住民族案件就有一個專庭那法務部也配合原住民族案件的專責的檢察官這個也有那現在就是實施這麼多年101年開始實施到現在這個原住民族案件的專責的檢察官的部分即待加強 |
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當然我們都知道檢察官都很忙所以相關的訓練相關的對原住民族的傳統習俗文化價值觀的了解這個部分呢一直做得不夠一直做得不夠這個我之前我不知道部長在不在場啦之前我曾經針對一個案子 |
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一個老先生八十幾歲兩年前八十幾歲的老先生他從小就在他父母親留下來的土地從小就跟著父母親在那邊耕種的土地而且是原住民保留地因為這個相公所的一個錯誤也把他出租給這個出租給這個這個瑞穗牧場 |
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打官司訴訟一審判決當然檢察官起訴一審判決拜書要有期徒刑八十幾歲一看判決不到一個禮拜就過世身體很好不到一個禮拜就過世你現在上網看還是有 |
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但是他 結果這個判決是錯誤的後來是發現錯誤的是怎麼樣錯誤的他是用山坡地保育利用條例上的7條來去判他有期徒刑山坡地保育利用條例去判他山坡地 結果一查他不是行政院所核定公告的山坡地 |
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因為山坡地跟山坡地保育區不一樣山坡地跟山坡地保育區它是山坡地保育區它不等於山坡地何況那個又是原住民保留地所以這個就是不了解所以這個部分是這個 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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這幾年來五年來好了這五年來對專責案件的原住民主案件的專責檢察官的到底你們有辦什麼樣的一個訓練這個部分請提供可以嗎?謝謝委員的指教那其實我們也有在辦都有在辦但是可以再加強尤其也可以請對原住民文化深入了解的專家學者來跟我們上課我們會再加強 |
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好接下來就因為時間的關係行事訴訟法95條也是我在101年開始當立法委員我正好在司法法制委員會當初提出修正特別增加了這個得選任辯護人就是原住民的部分可以得選任辯護人續任被告的時候要選任辯護人現在要去加強的部分是什麼呢 |
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因為現在你們回去可以統計這5年來統計這5年來因為依刑事適用法95條徇運被告無論是這個警戒可能裡面比較沒有最起碼檢察官的部分很少 為什麼同時來因為警察警方移送過去時間很短 |
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時間很短,要不要申請律師,還要等,大概都是簽不用,這條條文的就沒有辦法落實,這個就是怎麼樣去檢討這個過程,有的東西其實沒有那麼擠, |
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這非得要從警方那邊直接就送過去其實可以讓他先回去先把檢察官的這些檢察官也不是那麼容易那個律師也不是那麼容易那麼容易就可以請來還有一些程序所以這個部分一直沒有辦法落實這個部分是不是也去檢討好不好 |
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好 謝謝委員指教不過這是法律所要求的一個程序一定要踐行沒有錯至於能力的不足現在的踐行的方式就是簽不用現在是這樣拿統計數字就知道了好不好不用 好 我們了解我們去了解看看好 謝謝 |