| IVOD_ID |
149522 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149522 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-35-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-07T11:08:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-07T11:15:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1441ba9c2015bdbe0966674dae64681052afbb2d65d0dae1f8ba9b0039caa7a6f1a37fe8ce1080c65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:08:33 - 11:15:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長邱國正報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（11時8分）主席、各位委員，有請部長。 |
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主席：來，部長請。 |
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邱部長國正：鄭委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長好。國防部有規劃要興建在臺東、花蓮的戰備跑道嗎？ |
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邱部長國正：不是，我剛剛講，不是我們規劃，因為花東的地方要有一條公路，當初不管地方政府或相關部會，它評估認為有這個必要，所以要建一條路。國軍的戰備跑道是看這一條路某一段蠻直的，只要稍微做一個強化，可以變戰備跑道，我們的意見相關部會、地方政府也採納了，現在目前正在建，開工沒有我不知道。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長，要等花東快速道路完成之後才可以蓋戰備跑道，我不反對，但是要等花東快速道路，以現在的台九線，不可能啦，這是第一個。第二個，在臺東有志航機場，在花蓮已經有佳山基地了，還有民軍合用的機場也在花蓮，所以這個部分在回答的時候，真的是要很謹慎。很像要打仗了啊！不要產生這樣的一個……作為國防部長，要止戰，我們要避戰、要止戰，對不對？要避戰。 |
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好，這個部分重點還不在那邊啊！你看我們志願役，2年逾7,000人離營，連軍人都沒有啊！對不對？這我已經質詢過很多次了。這個數字是112年的，今年的數字你們再補充一下…… |
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邱部長國正：什麼東西…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這個軍官、士官、士兵就這麼少的人啊！志願役哦！所以113年度的可以提供書面資料給我，可以補充嗎？還是你現在可以唸出來？ |
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邱部長國正：因為剛剛委員講那個什麼，我沒有搞懂啦！我們再去瞭解好了。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好。 |
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邱部長國正：但剛剛委員講這個，一定要等到什麼路啊！還是怎麼樣通……我剛剛已經講過，這個路是經過地方政府啊！ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：不是！因為剛才前面的委員質詢說這樣才要趕快蓋，所以我說現在還不適合蓋，好不好？ |
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邱部長國正：沒有，我們並沒有預設立場，一定是經過一些程序完成，好不好？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：但是現在媒體一直報導這個部分啦！不要影響民心啦！ |
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邱部長國正：但媒體也有反對的喔！我看到有，媒體也有反對。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對，所以不要影響民心。我只是建議部長答復要很謹慎。 |
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邱部長國正：我不知道我哪邊答復有了問題，還是會造成怎麼樣的……我沒有啊！我就是…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：不是，因為剛剛前面的委員說要趕快蓋、有需要，因為有中央山脈擋住，所以這個部分你回應的時候要很謹慎。我沒有別的意思，只是要很謹慎，這樣好不好？因為我要進來之前，媒體就一直問我啊！ |
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邱部長國正：剛才也有媒體問我。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對，所以要謹慎。 |
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邱部長國正：我的講法也一樣，我講有道路，我們才看可以來建戰備跑道…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以，很好！你回答得很好！ |
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邱部長國正：不要反過來了。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：剛才你要這樣講，要很好，要回答。所以我的具體建議就是，有了花東快速道路之後，再來，很適合！新建花東快速道路之後，就一併考量，好不好？ |
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邱部長國正：我大概不會講那麼多，因為花東快速道路跟我是沒有關聯。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以當然沒有關係，我知道，現在因為交通部正在做規劃，好不好？ |
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邱部長國正：是，了解。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：因為你不知道，所以我讓你知道。 |
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邱部長國正：這個問題我也來做答復。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好。我提了很多次，志願役士兵實領的薪資待遇真的是偏低了，不能只是靠軍公教調薪的時候，不能只靠這個，要具體地解決，要提出一個新的薪資待遇計畫，要特別提出來，我已經提了好幾次。所以這個部分，你再一直軍購、軍購，軍購我不反對啦！但是再怎麼精良的，不管是飛機，還是什麼槍砲彈藥，還是什麼艦艇都一樣，都要有非常精良的士兵才有辦法。所以那個義務役1年也不夠啦！以前我們2年也不夠啊！現在何況才1年，所以志願役的薪資非常地重要。 |
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邱部長國正：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這個部分真的是比勞工平均薪資都不如啊！這個我已經提過很多次，相關的部門真的要提出來。部長你要交代啊！不然的話，一直停擺在這邊，志願役軍人的薪資很重要。我們看這個數字，你自己都看了，最後，提供數字就好，因為召委已經站起來了。 |
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噪音管制法第十七條，110年1月20號公布施行，這個部分我就以志航機場為例，本來我們的部落在裡面，因為要蓋志航機場，所以把它移到志航機場的周邊，每天要聽噪音，所以補償啊！過去只有弄隔音設備那些，而且是十幾年隔音設備才補助一次。現在改了哦！可以用補償、可以用補貼，用經費直接補，而且應該每年補啊！噪音是每天啊！不是10年以後啊！所以這個部分你把數字…… |
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主席：好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這個法召委最知道，當初我們一起推的。 |
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主席：我們兩個一起修的，謝謝鄭委員。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這個法公布施行到現在，到底執行的情況怎麼樣？提供書面資料。 |
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主席：謝謝鄭天財委員，謝謝。 |
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邱部長國正：好的，我請空軍跟委員做說明，謝謝委員。 |
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主席：好。接下來進行詢答的委員是陳冠廷委員。 |
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國防部有規劃新建在台東花蓮戰備跑道嗎? |
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不是我剛剛講不是我們規劃因為花東的地方要有一條路公路啊他當初不管地方政府或相關部委他認為有評估有這個必要所以要建一條路那國軍的戰略跑道這段路某一段蠻直的只要稍微做一個強化 |
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部長這個要等花東快速道路完成之後才可以蓋戰備跑道我不反對但是要等花東快速道路以現在的台九線不可能啦第一個第二個在台東 |
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有自航機場在花蓮已經有加山基地了還有民軍軍用的機場也有在花蓮所以這個部分啊所以這個在回答的時候真的是要要很謹慎好像要打仗啊 |
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不要產生這樣的一個作為國防部長要指戰我們要避戰要指戰對不對要避戰好這個部分重點還不在那邊啊你看我們志願役兩年一七千人離任連軍人都沒有啊對不對這我已經執行過很多次了 |
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這個數字是112年的今年的數字你們再補充一下這個軍官士官士兵就這麼少的人了志願役所以這個第113年度的再提供數字資料給我可以補充嗎還是你現在可以唸出來 |
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我沒有搞懂啦,我們再去了解,剛剛委員講的一定要等到那個路啊,怎麼樣,我剛剛已經講過,這個路是經過...不是,因為剛才前面的委員,他質詢說讓城市趕快蓋,所以我說現在還不適合蓋沒有,我們並沒有預設立場,一定是經過一段程序完成 |
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但是現在媒體一直報導這個部分啊不要影響民心啊在媒體也有反對的哦媒體也有反對的我看到也有對所以不要影響民心所以我只是建議部長答覆也很謹慎我不知道我哪邊答覆有了問題還是會造成什麼樣的我沒有啊因為那個跟前面的委員說要趕快蓋有需要因為有做到上面 |
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那個擋住所以這個部分你要回應的時候要很謹慎我的意思我沒有別的意思只是要很謹慎這樣好不好因為我要進來之前媒體就一直問我 |
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剛才有媒體問我,我的想法也一樣,我想說有道路我們才看,可以來借戰備跑道,不要反過來。剛才你要這樣講,要很好,要回答,所以我具體建議,有了花東快速道路之後,再來,很適合。 |
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我提了很多次志願役的士兵 |
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實領的薪資待遇真的是偏低的不能只是靠那個軍公教調薪的時候不能只靠這個要具體的解決要提出新的薪資待遇的一個計劃要特別提出來我已經提了好幾次所以這個部分你最好的 |
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再一次捐過捐過捐過我不反對啊但是再怎麼精良的 |
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不管是飛機還是什麼槍包彈藥還是什麼艦艇都一樣都要有非常精良的士兵才有辦法所以那個151一年也不夠啦以前我們兩年也不夠啊現在何況才一年所以志願役的薪資非常的重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
317.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
333.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
所以這個部分真的是要以這個勞工基本勞工來平均薪資都不如啊這個我已經提過很多次這個相關的那個部門真的要提出來部長你要交代要指不然的話一直停擺在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
335.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
338.893 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
趙英管治法第17條110年1月20號公布實行了這個部分我就以治航機場為例治航機場啊 |
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364.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
392.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
本來我們的部落在裡面啊因為蓋自航機場把它移到自航機場的桌邊每天啊每天要聽噪音啊所以補償啊現在沒有過去只有那個什麼弄那個隔音設備啊什麼那些而且是十幾年才隔音設備才補助一次啊現在改了 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
393.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
419.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
可以用補償 可以用補貼 用經費直接補而且應該每年補啊 照例是每天啊所以不是10年以後所以這個部分你把數字 這個法這個張偉知道當初我們一起的我們兩個一起修的謝謝鄭委員這個法公佈施行到現在到底執行的情況怎麼樣提供素面資料謝謝鄭天財委員我請郭君跟委員做說明 |