| IVOD_ID |
149490 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149490 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-07T09:46:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-07T09:57:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1441ba9c2015bdbe5c85d75b8e04788835d7358300cbb288f8ba9b0039caa7a6abd64c1826021b415ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:46:08 - 09:57:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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羅委員智強：（9時46分）主席，有請邱主委。 |
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主席：我們有請邱主委，謝謝。 |
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邱主任委員太三：羅委員好。 |
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羅委員智強：中華民國憲法是災難，請問這句話誰講的？ |
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邱主任委員太三：坦白講我沒有特別記住，應該是有人講過吧！ |
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羅委員智強：你身為民進黨的閣員，連賴清德總統當選人的話你都不記得啊？ |
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邱主任委員太三：坦白講…… |
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羅委員智強：中華民國憲法是災難就是賴清德講的，賴清德總統當選人講的，裝傻！ |
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邱主任委員太三：你這樣講…… |
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羅委員智強：沒關係，來…… |
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邱主任委員太三：競選期間…… |
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羅委員智強：沒關係，你連賴清德總統的金句名言都記不得…… |
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邱主任委員太三：應該要把他後續的說明…… |
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羅委員智強：主席，暫停時間，不要打斷我。 |
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主席：我們請主委耐心地聽完我們的質詢…… |
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邱主任委員太三：但是問題…… |
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主席：他會讓…… |
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邱主任委員太三：我昨天已經講過了，你們三分之二的時間，總是要給我三分之一的時間吧！ |
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主席：我們會讓您在你的業務範圍之內回答好不好？謝謝，我們互相尊重，謝謝，感謝您，邱主委，謝謝。 |
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羅委員智強：中華民國憲法是災難，請問邱太三主委，你認不認同賴清德這句話？ |
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邱主任委員太三：我想蔡總統大概也在2016年520就職的時候就已經講過了…… |
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羅委員智強：你認不認同？我問的不是蔡英文，不是賴清德，您認不認同？ |
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邱主任委員太三：因為我不知道他的邏輯思維是什麼，你叫我去評斷一個我不知道他的邏輯思維…… |
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羅委員智強：中華民國憲法是災難，哪一個中文字你看不懂？ |
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邱主任委員太三：不是，我想要講出這樣的一個結論一定有他的邏輯思維啊！我不知道他的邏輯思維…… |
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羅委員智強：謝謝您，顯然我們的邱主委也不敢複誦賴清德總統當選人的金句名言。 |
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邱主任委員太三：我是蔡總統的陸委會主委，我尊重蔡總統…… |
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羅委員智強：我非常擔心像你這樣的態度怎麼配合賴清德總統未來施政？ |
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邱主任委員太三：我是蔡總統的陸委會主委。 |
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羅委員智強：沒關係，你是民進黨的閣員吧！不是嗎？ |
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邱主任委員太三：是啊！現在還是蔡總統啊！ |
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羅委員智強：現在主席是誰？ |
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邱主任委員太三：現在主席是賴清德啊！ |
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羅委員智強：對啊！ |
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邱主任委員太三：問題我現在是政府官員…… |
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羅委員智強：沒關係，你意思是說，抱歉，賴清德的話當耳邊風、不重要、不關你的事？ |
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邱主任委員太三：那是你說的，不是我說的。 |
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羅委員智強：沒有關係，來，我跟你講，中華民國憲法不是災難啦！沒錯吧？ |
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邱主任委員太三：我剛剛講過了…… |
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羅委員智強：中華民國憲法不是災難你也答不出來？ |
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邱主任委員太三：陸委會主委就是遵照蔡總統…… |
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羅委員智強：那我問你，陸委會是不是個災難？陸委會是不是災難？陸委會是不是災難？ |
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邱主任委員太三：陸委會不會是災難啦！ |
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羅委員智強：非常好，陸委會是根據什麼法律所產生的單位？就是中華民國憲法！所以我告訴你，今天我欣賞我們邱太三主委，他也知道賴清德這句話是嚴重地羞辱了中華民國…… |
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邱主任委員太三：我沒有這樣回答。 |
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羅委員智強：所以你連複誦的勇氣都不敢。 |
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邱主任委員太三：你不能…… |
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羅委員智強：主席，時間暫停。我還沒有問問題，你一直插話幹什麼？ |
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邱主任委員太三：沒有，你已經下結論了。 |
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羅委員智強：主席，我要先教他一下憲法。程序問題。中華民國憲法增修條文第二條第三款的後段是什麼？你告訴我！ |
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沒辦法吧！中華民國憲法是災難，你不懂嘛！官員有接受立法委員質詢的義務。 |
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邱主任委員太三：沒有錯啊！ |
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羅委員智強：沒有說你可以插話。 |
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邱主任委員太三：錯了，立法院職權行使法第十八條怎麼規定的，委員你知道嗎？ |
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羅委員智強：中華民國憲法規定的是你要答詢，答詢前提是我要問問題。 |
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邱主任委員太三：詢答是即問即答。 |
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羅委員智強：我問的問題，我沒問問題，你可以回答嗎？ |
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主席：好，我們暫停一下。 |
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羅委員智強：我在論述的時候，沒問問題你可以插話嗎？ |
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主席：我們暫停一下好不好？ |
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羅委員智強：給我暫停時間。 |
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邱主任委員太三：立法院職權行使法就是即問即答。 |
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主席：我們暫停一下，謝謝。謝謝。 |
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羅委員智強：暫停時間。 |
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主席：好，我們不要把火藥味弄得那麼厲害，我們互相彼此尊重，好不好？ |
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羅委員智強：來，沒關係，我要請教你下一個問題…… |
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主席：我們剛剛…… |
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邱主任委員太三：韓院長…… |
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羅委員智強：我在這邊做結論，請你們時間暫停…… |
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主席：我們時間暫停。 |
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王委員美惠：你連主席的話…… |
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主席：謝謝美惠委員，謝謝。 |
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我們剛剛質詢的委員就說，他希望他問您的時候您再回答，當中不要插話，我想這是最基本的禮貌，好不好？可不可以？ |
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邱主任委員太三：我可以，但是前提是你要給我有回答的機會。 |
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主席：好，會給你，好嗎？謝謝。 |
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邱主任委員太三：好，謝謝，那這樣我可以接受。 |
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主席：不要插話，可以接受嗎？ |
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邱主任委員太三：可以，主席，謝謝你。 |
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主席：因為這是最基本的禮貌，你也是法律人…… |
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邱主任委員太三：對，就是因為我是法律人，所以我知道法律…… |
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主席：在場的委員也是人民選出來的，我們有這個權利，有這個義務在這邊追問一些問題，好嗎？ |
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邱主任委員太三：好。謝謝。 |
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主席：我們互相禮貌、互相尊重，謝謝。 |
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羅委員智強：我問你中華民國憲法是災難是誰說的，我給你回答的機會；我再問你說，你認不認同中華民國憲法是災難，我又給你回答的機會；我再問你說，陸委會是不是中華民國災難憲法下的機關，我也給你回答的機會。問題是我在論述…… |
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邱主任委員太三：我剛才不是回答了嗎？ |
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羅委員智強：欸，我還沒問問題，我在論述問題的背景的時候，請你不要插話。 |
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邱主任委員太三：好，可以。 |
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羅委員智強：我想請教你，我跟你直接講我的結論，賴清德才是中華民國憲法的災難啦！ |
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我再問你下一個問題…… |
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邱主任委員太三：我沒有辦法回答了嘛？ |
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羅委員智強：陸配享受的福利遠比外配來得多，請問這句話你認同嗎？ |
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邱主任委員太三：基本上我不知道這些人的數字是從哪裡來啦，我大概跟委員報告…… |
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羅委員智強：你是陸委會，你是主管機關…… |
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邱主任委員太三：對，所以我要跟你報告…… |
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羅委員智強：我問你認不認同這句話？ |
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邱主任委員太三：不是，我要報告事實的狀況…… |
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羅委員智強：認同不認同？ |
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邱主任委員太三：剛剛麥玉珍委員提到36萬，這將近36萬…… |
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羅委員智強：陸配享受的福利遠比外配來得多，認不認同啊？ |
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邱主任委員太三：基本上各有優勢跟不利的地方…… |
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羅委員智強：很好啊！你也認為各有優勢嘛，你沒有認為比較多啊！ |
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邱主任委員太三：我剛剛不是講利弊得失還要分析啊！ |
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羅委員智強：你沒有認為比較多啊！ |
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邱主任委員太三：沒有，有多也有少。 |
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羅委員智強：你知道這句話誰講的嗎？ |
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邱主任委員太三：我怎麼…… |
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羅委員智強：這句話是陳建仁院長講的，所以你打臉了賴清德，恭喜你，你又打臉了陳建仁…… |
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邱主任委員太三：那是你說的。 |
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羅委員智強：你這個閣員真的好棒棒。 |
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邱主任委員太三：那是你說的。 |
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羅委員智強：去查議事紀錄，陳建仁在答詢的時候講的。沒關係啦！我再問，請問你為什麼陳建仁說陸配享受的福利遠比外配來得多？解釋一下吧。 |
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邱主任委員太三：第一個，我想各位大概可能不太瞭解，陸配…… |
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羅委員智強：哪些福利遠比外配多？ |
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邱主任委員太三：譬如說陸配的直系血親跟他的子女，他在…… |
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羅委員智強：我來跟你歸納，你聽聽看，我聽到民進黨很多人的說法。因為外籍的配偶要有財力證明才能取得中華民國國籍，陸配不用，是不是？是不是？ |
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邱主任委員太三：這個都取消了啦。 |
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羅委員智強：取消啦？！你也知道取消啦！恭喜你打臉鍾佳濱！恭喜你啊！ |
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邱主任委員太三：那是你說的。 |
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羅委員智強：鍾佳濱說憑什麼外配要財力證明，陸配不用。哇，你好棒，打臉賴清德，打臉陳建仁，還要打臉鍾佳濱。再來…… |
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邱主任委員太三：我覺得你這個是以偏蓋全啦。 |
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羅委員智強：另外我要問，貴黨委員不斷強調陸配的依親會消耗所謂的健保資源，你認不認同？ |
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邱主任委員太三：我不曉得他們的說法是什麼嘛。委員，我覺得你不應該把別人…… |
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羅委員智強：會不會消耗啊？ |
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邱主任委員太三：別人的邏輯思維是什麼，他的依據是什麼…… |
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羅委員智強：你不要批判我的邏輯思維，你也不用批判王定宇的邏輯思維，你也不用批判鍾佳濱的邏輯思維…… |
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邱主任委員太三：不是，你不要把別人的東西要我去詮釋，因為我不知道他的邏輯…… |
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羅委員智強：我問的是你的邏輯思維！ |
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邱主任委員太三：對啊，我剛剛已經跟你講，他的邏輯思維是什麼，我不知道，所以我沒有辦法回應他的答案…… |
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羅委員智強：我問你啊！好啦，我告訴你，這個話是王定宇講的啦！ |
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邱主任委員太三：那你問我，我要答，你又不讓我答…… |
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羅委員智強：我要繼續講啦！我們的…… |
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邱主任委員太三：我的邏輯思維，我要告訴你，你又不讓我答。 |
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羅委員智強：醫療可能會嚴重衝擊啦，抱歉，你也打臉王定宇，因為你不肯正面回答這個問題。我直接跟你講…… |
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邱主任委員太三：不是，每一個人講話有他自己的邏輯思維…… |
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羅委員智強：沒有，我問你的問題，你再答不出來，我真的覺得陸委會可以裁撤了。 |
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邱主任委員太三：就像我要更正你的邏輯思維，你不讓我更正啊！ |
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羅委員智強：來，陸配依親一年幾個名額？幾個名額啊？ |
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邱主任委員太三：現在有排序，按照登記的先後…… |
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羅委員智強：60個名額都答不出來…… |
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邱主任委員太三：對啊，我剛剛不是講有排序嗎？ |
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羅委員智強：講了那麼長的「lò-lò-tn̂g」的前提後語，你擺明在消耗委員的時間嘛，我也懂你的答詢技術啦。 |
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每年60個人，請問現在排隊排多少人？ |
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邱主任委員太三：嗯，大概幾千、超過…… |
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羅委員智強：連這個都答不出來，上千人啦！ |
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邱主任委員太三：超過幾千人。 |
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羅委員智強：對啊，幾千人啊！ |
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邱主任委員太三：因為這是…… |
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羅委員智強：請問您幾千人消耗多少年？要申請到多少年才能把幾千人全部都消耗完？我問你數學問題，陸配6年每年60人，改成4年每年60人，排隊幾千人，請問會增加依親的消耗健保嗎？ |
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邱主任委員太三：後面那個部分，我先回答你前面的部分…… |
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羅委員智強：我不用，我要你回答這個。 |
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邱主任委員太三：因為這個政策不是我們現在定的…… |
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羅委員智強：時間暫停。 |
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邱主任委員太三：欸，我不是在回答他60個名額的這個政策嘛，對不對？我要先回答你這個問題啊！ |
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羅委員智強：沒有，這個我已經講完了，我不用聽你講政策啊！ |
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邱主任委員太三：但是我們陸委會有陸委會的說法啊，我們有陸委會的考量啊，那你不聽我陸委會的…… |
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羅委員智強：剛剛的答案60個還是我告訴你的！時間暫停喔。我跟你講，沒關係，你繼續講。 |
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邱主任委員太三：你這樣有夠「壓霸」。 |
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羅委員智強：你要耽誤我的時間，你繼續講。 |
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邱主任委員太三：沒有。 |
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羅委員智強：欸，你要耽誤時間怎麼不繼續講了啊！ |
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主席：沒關係，主委，您記得三個問題，我會給你時間。 |
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邱主任委員太三：我可以講了喔，好。這個名額的設定不是在我們設定的，在之前就設定了…… |
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王委員美惠：沒有啦！你不要講啦！現在沒有質詢的時間啦！主委。 |
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羅委員智強：你看，我們王委員多厲害，瞭解議事規則。 |
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邱主任委員太三：他是叫我不用回答。 |
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王委員美惠：他叫你講才講啊！ |
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邱主任委員太三：好，但是問題他要給我三分之一的時間回答，對不對？ |
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羅委員智強：謝謝啊！謝謝你啊！我問你起碼20個問題啊！ |
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邱主任委員太三：沒有問題啊，你如果給我三分之一的時間，我都可以回答。 |
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羅委員智強：你繼續嘛，你繼續、你繼續啊！你要繼續，時間反正暫停，隨便你講，繼續講。講完了沒？講完了沒有？我可以問問題了嗎？ |
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主席：好，我想大家不要僵持在這裡，我們繼續請智強委員您來質詢。 |
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羅委員智強：數學問題啦！等6年，1年60個人，排隊幾千人，改成等4年，1年60個人，排隊幾千人，健保資源會因為依親來增加負擔嗎？你答不出來，我幫你回答：沒有啦！ |
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邱主任委員太三：不用，這是衛福部要去回答的，這是衛福部的權責，不是我。 |
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羅委員智強：所以民進黨，我跟你講，要謝謝你啊！整場打臉別人。感謝，以上。 |
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主席：謝謝羅智強委員的質詢…… |
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邱主任委員太三：委員，那三分之一的時間等一下會不會給我？ |
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主席：沒關係，邱主委，我現在給你時間，就是1分鐘的時間，剛剛就你想回答的憲法的問題，還有你剛剛其實已經回答…… |
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邱主任委員太三：憲法的問題我已經回答過了。 |
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王委員美惠：委員跑掉了，你還回答什麼啦！ |
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李委員柏毅：跑掉啦！ |
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主席：好，所以不是召委不給你時間，我要給你，但是其他委員…… |
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邱主任委員太三：是，我希望委員能夠尊重我們，質詢的時候能夠尊重我們。 |
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主席：好，非常謝謝，謝謝主委，我本來要給你時間回答，但是在場有民進黨的委員說不回答了，好，OK，謝謝。 |
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王委員美惠：不是啦！剛才質詢的委員跑掉了。 |
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主席：好，謝謝，我們待會兒開會的時候，希望委員跟官員們互相尊重，好不好？好，謝謝。 |
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我們繼續請蘇巧慧委員質詢。謝謝。 |
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268 |
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委員會-11-1-15-4 |
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高金素梅 |
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麥玉珍 |
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徐欣瑩 |
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羅智強 |
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王美惠 |
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李柏毅 |
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蘇巧慧 |
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張宏陸 |
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牛煦庭 |
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黃捷 |
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黃建賓 |
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丁學忠 |
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吳琪銘 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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張智倫 |
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許宇甄 |
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2024-03-07 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢 |
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主席有請邱主委我們有請邱主委謝謝中華民國憲法是災難請問這句話誰講的我沒有特別記住應該是有人講過吧你身為民進黨的閣員連賴清德總統當選人的話你都不記得啊 |
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中華民國憲法是災難就是賴清德講的賴清德總統當選講的裝傻沒關係來沒關係沒關係你連賴清德總統的金句名言都出了主席暫停時間不要打斷我 |
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我們請這個主委耐心的聽完我們這個質詢他會讓我給他有時間讓我回應的我們會讓您在你的月月範圍之內回答好不好謝謝我們互相尊重謝謝感謝您邱主委謝謝 |
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中華民國憲法是災難請問邱泰山主委你認不認同賴清德這句話我想蔡總統大概在2016年520就職的時候就已經講過了你認不認同我問的不是蔡英文不是賴清德您認不認同因為我不知道他的邏輯是會是什麼你叫我去評斷一個我不知道他的邏輯中華民國憲法是災難哪一個中文字你看不懂不是 |
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我想要講出這樣的一個結論一定有他的邏輯思維啊那我不知道他的邏輯思維謝謝您啊顯然我們的邱主委也不敢附送賴清德總統當選的金句名我非常擔心啊像你這樣的態度怎麼配合賴清德總統未來施政我是蔡總統的陸委會主委沒關係你是民進黨的閣員吧是啊現在還是蔡總統啊現在主席是誰 |
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現在主席是賴清德啊對啊沒關系你只是說抱歉賴清德的話到耳邊風不重要不關你的事那是你說的啊不是我說的沒有關系來我跟你講中華民國憲法不是災難啦沒錯吧我剛剛講過了中華民國憲法不是災難你也答不出來那我問你如果會是不是個災難如果會是不是個災難 |
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路委會是不是災難路委會不會是災難阿非常好路委會是根據什麼的法律所產生的單位就是中華民國憲法所以呢我告訴你今天我欣賞我們邱太三主委他也知道賴清德這句話是嚴重的羞辱中華民國所以你連負受的勇氣都不敢主席時間暫停 |
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我還沒有問問題你一直插話幹什麼沒有你已經架結論了我要先教他一下憲法程序問題中華民國憲法徵修條文第二條第三款的後段是什麼你告訴我沒辦法吧中華民國憲法是災難你不懂嘛 |
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官員有接受立法委員質詢的義務沒有說你可以插話中華民國憲法規定的是規定的是你要答詢答詢前提是我要問問題我問的問題我沒問問題你可以回答嗎 |
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好來我們暫停一下我們暫停一下好不好我們暫停一下暫停時間好我們不要把火藥味弄得那麼厲害我們互相彼此尊重來沒關係我要請教你下一個問題啊我直接做結論請你們時間暫停 |
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謝謝我們會委員謝謝我們剛剛那個我們的質詢委員就說他希望他問您的時候您在回答當中不要插話我想這是最基本的禮貌好不好可不可以好會給你好嗎 |
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法定人數不足 |
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我問你中華民國憲法是災難是誰說的我給你回答的機會我在問你說你認不認同中華民國憲法是災難我又給你回答的機會我在問你說陸委會是不是中華民國災難憲法下的機關我也給你回答的機會問題是我在論述我還沒問問題我在問問題的背景的時候請你不要插話 |
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我想請教你齁 我跟你直接講啦 我的結論啦賴清德才是中華民國憲法的災難啦我再問你下一個問題齁我沒有辦法回答了嘛陸配享受的福利遠比外配來得多請問這句話你認同嗎 |
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基本上我不知道這些人的數字是從哪裡來的你是陸委會你是無法機關我要跟你報告我問你認不認同這句話我要報告實施認同不認同來陸備小組委員比外配來得多 |
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路配享受福利遠比外配來得多?認不認同啊?很好啊,你也認為各有優勢嘛,沒有認為比較多啊?你也認為比較多啊?你也認為沒有比較多啊?你知道這句話誰講的嗎?這一句話是陳建仁院長講的啊? |
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所以你打臉賴清德恭喜你又打臉了陳建仁你這個得言真的好棒棒去查去查議事記錄陳建仁在答詢的時候講的沒關係啦我再問齁請問你齁為什麼陳建仁說陸配享受福利遠比外配來的多 |
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解釋一下吧第一個我想各位大家可能不太了解那些福利遠比外配多譬如說陸配的子細血金跟他的子女他在我來跟你歸納啦你聽聽看啦我聽到民進黨很多人說法因為外籍的配偶要有財力證明才能取得中華民國國籍嘛陸配不用嘛是不是 |
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這個都取消了啦取消啦你也知道取消啦恭喜你打臉宗嘉賓恭喜你啊宗嘉賓說憑什麼外配要財力證明陸配不用啊哇你好棒喔打臉賴清德打臉陳建仁還要打臉宗嘉賓好再來另外齁另外齁我也問貴黨委員齁不斷強調齁陸配的一心會消耗所謂的健保資源 |
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你都沒認同我不曉得他們的說法是什麼 |
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會不會消化你不要批評我的邏輯思維你不用批評王帝宇的邏輯思維我問的是你的邏輯思維我告訴你這個話是王帝宇講的啦醫療可能會嚴重衝擊啦 |
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一年幾個名額啊? |
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幾個名額啊現在有排序按照那個先後的登記60個名額都答不出來講那麼長的漏漏騰騰的前提後語你擺明在消耗委員的時間嘛我也懂你的質詢答詢技術請問六年這個每年60個人請問現在排隊排多少人 |
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連這個都答不出來 上千人啊對啊 幾千人啊 請問您幾千人消耗多少年要申請到多少年 才能把幾千人全部都消耗完我問你喔 六年喔 數學問題啦陸配六年 |
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每年60人改成4年每年60人排隊幾千人請問會增加一新的消耗健保嗎後面那個部分我先回答你前面的部分我不用我要你回答真的因為這個政策不是我們實驗暫停實驗暫停我要回答你60個名額的這個政策嘛 |
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我先回答你這個問題阿這個我已經講完了我不用聽你講政策阿我要到我的答案60個來說我告訴你的我告訴你的時間暫停喔我跟你講沒關係你繼續講你要耽誤時間你繼續講你要耽誤時間你怎麼不繼續講阿沒關係主委你記得三個問題這個名額的設定不是在我們設定的在之前就設定的 |
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講完了沒有?講完了沒有? |
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數學問題等六年一年六十個人排隊幾千人改成等四年一年六十個人排隊幾千人健保資源會一位一星來增加負擔嗎 |
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你答不出來我幫你回答沒有啦!所以你記得我跟你講!但謝謝你啦!整場打臉別人感謝!以上! |
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謝謝羅智強委員質詢那好我跟你 沒關係 周主委我現在給你時間就是一分鐘的時間剛剛就你想回答的憲法的問題還有你剛剛其實已經回答了我已經回答過了 |
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好雖然不是召委不給你時間我要給你但是其他委員 |