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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149444 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-23-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
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2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-06T13:53:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-06T14:01:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:32 |
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| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:53:25 - 14:01:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長王國材列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月4日、6日及7日三天一次會】） |
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王委員鴻薇：（13時53分）謝謝主席。請王部長，還有桃機公司楊董事長。 |
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主席：請王部長、楊董事長。 |
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王部長國材：王委員好。 |
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王委員鴻薇：部長好，董事長好。 |
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楊董事長偉甫：委員好。 |
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王委員鴻薇：昨天本席揭露桃機公司員工提供給我的陳情函，陳情函提到鄭文燦副院長陸續安插當年在桃園市任職時的員工進入桃機公司。這兩天大家都聚焦在機場因為歲修造成大塞機，桃機公司也受到很多責難。本席要特別說明，如果一家公司動不動就有人事酬庸，動不動就有特定人士把自己人塞進公司，這樣當然會造成員工士氣低落，當桃機公司出事的時候，這些員工心裡也非常難受。 |
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本席昨天披露之後，今天媒體有問您、問王部長，部長說沒有這回事。本席想先請教董事長，在你任內是否曾經有員工向你反映這樣的事情？你是否也像本席一樣，接受過桃機公司員工的陳情函？這裡面寫得非常清楚，包括哪些人被塞進來，哪些人在哪些單位，他都寫得清清楚楚。在你任內是否收過類似的陳情函？ |
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楊董事長偉甫：我是去年3月份到桃機公司，從到任桃機公司後，並沒有這樣的情況。我看到昨天…… |
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王委員鴻薇：從來沒有？ |
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楊董事長偉甫：是，沒有。我有看到昨天媒體的報導…… |
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王委員鴻薇：部長，你也從來沒有桃機公司告訴你這個的事情？ |
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王部長國材：沒有，完全沒有。 |
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王委員鴻薇：待會結束之後，本席會請交通部的國會聯絡人把這份陳情函交給部長，也會給桃機公司的董事長，請你們看一下，這雖不稱為所謂的字字血淚，但裡面寫到：近來民進黨派人寄生桃機，胃口越來越大，占的缺也越來越高。桃園機場會這麼爛，長久以來的陋習就是基層員工不停的忍受關說。信裡面也說到有兩位被安插進來，目前還沒有通過試用期，甚至寫明他們之前在什麼地方任職，而且他們還直言不諱自己是靠高層關說進入桃機，行為毫不知羞恥。信中寫到：兩人靠關說空降桃園機場，弄得全機場人盡皆知，廠商都知道，現在食髓知味，還要塞更多人，我桃機員工就是賤民，只有民進黨人才是人。所以對於這樣的問題，如果低層員工都這麼不滿、憤怒，未來你們怎麼帶領桃機公司呢？這是我們國家的門面，但是現在桃園機場的排名直直落，而且是墜崖式下降。董事長是去年上任，去年排名降到82名，本席不認為所有過錯都在你一個人身上，因為之前就有很多是酬庸的，董事長都酬庸！對不對？桃園市副市長跑去當董事長，做得亂七八糟之後離開，不是這樣子嗎？結果現在還要繼續塞人，夠了吧！ |
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所以本席要請部長、董事長正視這件事情，不要只在媒體上說沒有酬庸，如果你們這樣處理，以後員工不只士氣低落，搞不好他們還會爆更多料，如果你們願意正視這些問題，那他們會覺得還有希望。 |
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另外請教部長，昨天工程會主委提到桃園機場第三航站的預算要再修正到1,300億元，這是第三次修正計畫，從最早的746.89億元，一路向上修正到956.8億元，這是第二次修正計畫，現在又要修正提高至1,300億元。請問一下，這個修正計畫定案了嗎？送行政院了嗎？確定了嗎？ |
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王部長國材：的確，他們有修正計畫，現在的…… |
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王委員鴻薇：提出了嗎？ |
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王部長國材：委員也知道，這幾年所有的公共工程都漲起來了。 |
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王委員鴻薇：這都是老掉牙的事情。本席是問你，現在要進入第三次修正計畫，是嗎？ |
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楊董事長偉甫：是的，目前我們是第三次修正計畫，公司這邊已經草擬出來。 |
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王部長國材：我們還沒有收到啦！他們還在草擬。 |
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楊董事長偉甫：最近要報部。 |
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王委員鴻薇：所以現在還沒有報部？ |
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楊董事長偉甫：還沒有報部。 |
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王委員鴻薇：昨天公共工程委員會的主委就說要提高到1,300億元，這是怎麼樣呢？先斬後奏嗎？還沒有報部，公共工程委員會就對外說明，所以部長就要認帳了？認帳了，然後就要送到立法院，立法院就給你認帳，再繼續追加嗎？ |
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王部長國材：漲，現在不只在這個，很多計畫都在漲，包括臺北捷運…… |
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王委員鴻薇：本席現在是問你桃機第三航廈的部分。 |
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王部長國材：他們還沒有送上來，但是這幾年很多工程…… |
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王委員鴻薇：預計什麼時候報部？什麼時候送院？ |
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楊董事長偉甫：我們預計下個禮拜，最遲月中過後會報部。 |
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王委員鴻薇：報部，然後送院。預計什麼時候追加預算？ |
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楊董事長偉甫：這部分要經過交通部審查，然後再送行政院，最後應該還會經過公共工程委員會的審查，後面還有一些程序要走。 |
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王委員鴻薇：公共工程委員會主委已經幫你們宣布了。另外請教，第三次修正計畫除了總經費大幅提高，幾乎是翻倍成長之外，請問完工時間會不會再修正？我們是不是還要癡癡的等？ |
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王部長國材：我們還是以115年第三航廈完工為目標，目前還是這樣。 |
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王委員鴻薇：以這個時間為目標？ |
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王部長國材：對。他們還沒有提時程修正的事。 |
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楊董事長偉甫：是不是讓我們總經理補充說明一下？ |
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范總經理孝倫：第三航廈的相關工程都已經完成發包，目前我們和廠商的工程契約是到115年12月左右，這是完工的期限，所以…… |
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王委員鴻薇：不是全部都發包了嗎？為什麼還要再漲這麼多呢？預算為什麼會增加？都已經發包了。 |
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范總經理孝倫：因為我們發包的契約裡面都有物價指數條款，當物調變動太大時，如果沒有這個機制，廠商可能連做都做不下去，基本上這個部分等於是讓廠商…… |
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王委員鴻薇：意思就是頭洗下去了，現在就受制於廠商，不然他們就不做了，不知道延到民國幾年才能完工。 |
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主席：好，謝謝。 |
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王委員鴻薇：好啦！因為時間有限，所以本席現在只能先確定，你們預計下個月報部，是嗎？還是這個月？ |
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范總經理孝倫：這個月中。 |
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王委員鴻薇：這個月中會報部？到時候本席再向你們要資料，了解第三次修正計畫的全貌，謝謝。 |
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王部長國材：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝，王委員發言完畢。 |
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現在請李委員柏毅發言 |
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邀請交通部部長王國材列席報告業務概況，並備質詢 |
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謝謝主席我請我們王部長還有我們陶基公司董事長楊董事長 |
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昨天我揭露我們桃機公司這個員工提供給我的澄清函提到我們鄭文燦副院長陸續安插他當年在桃園市的時候的一些相關的員工進入了我們桃機公司 |
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因為這兩天大家的聚焦都是在最近我們機場因為稅休然後造成的整個大塞機那當然淘氣公司也受到很多的責難那我特別要講如果一家公司他動不動就有人事酬庸動不動就有特定的人事把自己人塞進公司裡面當然會造成員工的士氣低落 |
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那麼當淘氣公司出事的時候這些員工他心裡也非常非常的難受那我昨天披露之後呢今天媒體有問您 |
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問王部長：部長說沒有這回事那我先想請教我們的董事長在你任內有沒有曾經有員工跟你反映這樣的事情你是否也像本席一樣接受過陶基公司這樣的陳秦涵就是直接的他非常清楚 |
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哪些人被塞進來哪些人在哪些單位他寫得清清楚楚你是否曾經在你任內收過類似的陳情函 |
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跟委員報告我是去年的3月份到陶器公司那從到任到陶器公司沒有這樣的一個情況從來沒有是沒有我看到昨天媒體的報導那部長你也從來沒有從陶器公司告訴你這個事情沒有完全沒有 |
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那麼待會結束之後我會把這個陳秦涵同樣的我會請我們交通部的府會給我們部長也會給我們陶基公司的董事長請你們看一下 |
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這個雖不稱為所謂的自製血淚但是裡面我直接來念進來民進黨派人寄生逃機胃口越來越大站的缺也越來越高桃園機場會這麼爛長久以來的陋習就是基層員工不停地忍受關說裡面也有講 |
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他講到有兩位他說安插進來還沒有通過試用期然後甚至之前任職在什麼地方然後直言不會自己是靠高層關說進入陶瓊行為毫不羞恥 |
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好,兩人靠關說空降桃園機場弄得全機場人靜皆知,廠商都知道現在食髓滋味還要塞更多人我桃機員工就是建民民進黨人才是人 |
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所以這樣的問題如果第一層員工都這樣的不滿跟憤怒那未來你們怎麼帶領淘氣公司呢?我們國家的門面我們現在談到桃園機場的排名直直落最危勢的下降我不要說您說您8月就是董事長去年對不對去年整個都降到82名但是我並不認為這所有的過錯全部放在你一個人身上啦 |
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前面就很多是愁庸的啊 董事長都愁庸了 對不對 桃園副市長 然後跑去當董事長 然後做的亂七八糟最後離開 不是這樣子嗎 還要繼續塞人 |
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另外請教部長 |
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昨天我們工程會的主委他提到我們桃園機場第三航站的預算要再修正到1300億元 |
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這個是在我們第二次修正計畫從原來最早746.89億一路向上修正到956.8億元這是第二次修正計畫現在又要修正主要提高到1300億我想請問一下我們的修正計畫定案了嗎?送行政院了嗎?確定了嗎? |
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現在要進入第三次修正計畫是嗎? |
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目前我們第三次修正計畫公司這邊已經草擬出來所以現在還沒有報布然後昨天公共工程委員會的主委就說要提高到1300億元那是怎麼樣呢?先斬後奏嗎?還沒有報布然後公共工程委員會就對外說了所以部長就要認賬囉認賬然後就要送到立法院立法院就給你認賬再繼續追加嗎? |
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預計什麼時候會報佈?什麼時候會送院? |
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這個要經過部裡面審查：然後照說一月裡面：最後應該還是會經過公共城委員會的審查：所以後面還有一些程序看起來公共城委員會主委都幫你宣布啦另外請教你這第三次修正計畫除了總經費大幅提高比原來幾乎是翻倍成長之外請問一下在相關的年限完工的時間會不會再修正我們是不是還要遲遲的等是 |
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目前我們還是以115年第三行下完工為目標現在目前還是這樣以那個為目標對就是他還沒有講出說有時程修正的事所以讓我們總經理來補充說明一下 |
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跟委員報告我們第三行下的相關工程都已經完成發包那目前我們跟廠商的工程契約是到115年的12月左右是完工的期限所以不是全部都發包了嗎那為什麼還要再漲這麼多呢 |
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價格為什麼還要再增加都已經發包了嗎對因為發包的話我們在當時我們的發包裡面我們在契約裡面都有物價指數條款那因為如果物條變動太大那廠商如果沒有這個機制可能廠商連做都做不下去所以基本上這個部分是等於讓廠商所以意思是說頭洗下去了現在就受制於廠商不然說我不跟你做下去了又不知道延到民國幾年好啦因為時間的有限 |
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所以我先只確定說你預計下個月是下個月要報布是吧還是這個月這個月這個月中會報布那到時候我再跟你們要資料知道整個第三次修正計畫的全貌謝謝 |