| IVOD_ID |
149428 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149428 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-06T13:03:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-06T13:12:21+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/aa454a369d2b172f189568dcb1833312b97b2be93641c974f8ba9b0039caa7a6be095dc505d74aa65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:03:02 - 13:12:21 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請大陸委員會主任委員及交通部次長、交通部觀光署署長就「赴陸旅遊團停招：決策過程與後續影響評估」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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1376 |
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張委員啓楷：（13時3分）請邱主委。 |
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主席：有請邱主委。 |
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邱主任委員太三：張委員好。 |
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張委員啓楷：主委你好。你們今天有套招喔！我看3份報告最後的結論都是要中國大陸先有善意。 |
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邱主任委員太三：在8月份的時候，我們記者會其實就已經提出要對等。 |
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張委員啓楷：我先問你啦！你們希望中國大陸那邊有什麼善意？ |
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邱主任委員太三：基本上，剛剛不是提到了嗎？就是大家同時開放團客。 |
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張委員啓楷：同時開放？另外一個點你提到希望對等，對不對？ |
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邱主任委員太三：對。 |
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張委員啓楷：你的意思是中國大陸做什麼，我們這邊就做什麼？他們開放團客過來，我們就開放，是不是這樣？ |
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邱主任委員太三：基本上就團客的部分是這樣，坦白講，該對等的還有很多，例如…… |
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張委員啓楷：我先問你一件對等的事情，我知道你是比較鴿派的，你制高點比較高的，希望兩岸和平的。中國大陸今天有做了幾個比較友善的動作，包括宗教團、文化團、經濟團、體育團，你知道他們最近有很多團申請來臺灣嗎？ |
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邱主任委員太三：我知道。 |
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張委員啓楷：為什麼那麼多團都沒過？大部分都沒過是怎樣？ |
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邱主任委員太三：這是他們自己的考量。 |
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張委員啓楷：他申請為什麼要自己考量？他要來啊！ |
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邱主任委員太三：我們有機制讓他申請啊！ |
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張委員啓楷：等一下，我們一個一個來，第一個，你知道他們有很多宗教團、文化團、經濟團申請要來，對不對？ |
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邱主任委員太三：對。 |
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張委員啓楷：這是第一個要件。第二個，你說他們最後沒來，是他們自己踩煞車還是我們這邊沒有准？ |
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邱主任委員太三：就我了解的幾個部分，例如去年選舉的時候，我們有邀請他們社團學者要來，結果最後沒有來是因為他們北京沒有同意。第二個，如果是你剛剛講的宗教或什麼等等，原則上是由目的事業主管機關先審，審的時候，結果最後他們撤回。 |
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張委員啓楷：是你們審的過程，他們不高興？還是有些問題？ |
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邱主任委員太三：我不曉得，因為我們只接到最後的結果。 |
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張委員啓楷：你是一個主張兩岸和平的人，也希望兩邊對等。 |
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邱主任委員太三：當然。 |
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張委員啓楷：當然，我們一定站在臺灣安全的立場，對不對？ |
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邱主任委員太三：對。 |
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張委員啓楷：這不會打折扣，問題是如果對等之後，對方已經有些團希望來了，你幫我查一下數據，這半年他們有多少這種宗教團或文化團要來，第一個，多少團申請要來？第二個，有幾個團最後是通過的？第三個更重要的，被駁回的有多少？可以嗎？這對你來說很簡單，明天給我。 |
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邱主任委員太三：這恐怕沒有辦法，剛剛提到，所有各種名目的團先由目的事業主管機關審，所以有可能是教育部，也有可能是內政部的，我們還要跟他們要。 |
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張委員啓楷：你說要兩岸和平、要對等，結果他們申請要來，大部分在業務單位幾乎都擋掉。 |
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邱主任委員太三：沒有，到底什麼原因我不曉得，也有來的。 |
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張委員啓楷：你知道有很多沒過，對不對？ |
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邱主任委員太三：我不曉得，我大概跟委員報告一下，基本上是目的事業主管機關先審，認為可以的時候，才會送到移民署的審查單位。 |
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張委員啓楷：主委，我們都是臺灣派的，我們都會先顧臺灣，我現在要跟你講的是，兩岸這樣惡意螺旋一直往上走的時候，我們要怎樣開出一扇和平的門，我覺得這要好好討論一下，如果多一點團過來，他是有善意的來。 |
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邱主任委員太三：他們要先做政策上的判斷、要不要給嘛！ |
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張委員啓楷：對啦！政策是他們的，但是如果來我們這裡，若是和平來、快樂地…… |
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邱主任委員太三：我們都很希望他來，我們期待他來啊！ |
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張委員啓楷：所以你要先讓他們可以來，多一點團來，好不好？讓兩岸多一點交流。 |
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邱主任委員太三：方向上絕對跟你一樣。 |
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張委員啓楷：不只方向對而已，我要的資料你多久可以給我？ |
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邱主任委員太三：我不曉得，我看…… |
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張委員啓楷：一個禮拜，會不會太久？ |
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邱主任委員太三：一個禮拜好了，因為我剛剛講過了。 |
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張委員啓楷：一個禮拜，要包括幾個團、放行的有幾個，最後有成行的，更重要的是後來沒有來的，沒有來的是誰批了什麼最重要，你看了就知道，例如教育部為什麼不給他來？或者內政部不給宗教團來？可能內政部最多，為什麼沒來？ |
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邱主任委員太三：這我不曉得，因為他如果沒有報到移民署，我們就沒有機會審。 |
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張委員啓楷：我拿到資料再找你，我們兩個好好探討這個結能不能解開，我們臺灣派的，共同來把這個結解開，好不好？ |
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邱主任委員太三：沒問題。 |
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張委員啓楷：你這次為什麼只禁旅行業者？為什麼沒有禁其他的？你說他團客不過來，然後又M503這件事，為什麼其他都沒有動作，單獨針對旅行業者？這樣公平嗎？ |
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邱主任委員太三：我不曉得，我先講一個…… |
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張委員啓楷：你做決策的人，你不知道？ |
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邱主任委員太三：不是啦！我先講完這個，在8月份的疫後檢討，我之前已經講過好幾次，第一個…… |
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張委員啓楷：我知道你講了好幾次，我是說你做這個決定有沒有想到…… |
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邱主任委員太三：我先講完，權責單位到底是誰嘛！大家要討論問題總是要先知道權責單位到底是誰，我之前在立法院總質詢的時候也表示過，陸客要來臺灣是我們陸委會的權責，因為在兩岸條例第十五條。 |
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張委員啓楷：你講，不給他們來的是什麼人？ |
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邱主任委員太三：我們國人要去大陸，原則上是交通部的權責。 |
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張委員啓楷：你如果不點頭，交通部敢做這個決定？陸委會和邱太三沒有點頭…… |
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邱主任委員太三：你把我這樣子……鬧太大了啦！ |
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張委員啓楷：你隨便去馬路上抓十個人，有沒有一個人會贊同邱太三、陸委會沒有點頭，交通部會同意？拜託一下好嘛！這就外行了。 |
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邱主任委員太三：第二個要報告的是，8月份的討論，陸委會只負責商務人士要來臺的規劃，至於團客要出去，基本上是由交通部先作他們的規劃。 |
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張委員啓楷：好啦！我就這樣跟你講，你沒有點頭，他們不會這樣做啦！旅行業應該下單都很早，機票已經買了，旅館已經訂了，可不可以跟國家求償？可以嗎？ |
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邱主任委員太三：這是不是請他們回答？ |
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張委員啓楷：你等一下，請次長。 |
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主席：請交通部林次長。 |
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張委員啓楷：造成的損害，他們可不可以求償？ |
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林次長國顯：報告委員，基本上是我們讓他3月到5月照樣出團，6月以後就是併到前面提早，因為旅遊本身是一個選擇。 |
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張委員啓楷：不是啊！有的人訂機票、訂飯店就是訂6月、7月、8月。 |
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林次長國顯：機票的訂定本身是一個商業上行為，例如他訂的有沒有付定金或者只是一個承諾不一定。 |
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張委員啓楷：如果已經付了定金，他可以向你求償嗎？你們要賠嗎？ |
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林次長國顯：應該沒有這個機制，我們請他儘量來調整。 |
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張委員啓楷：如果我做旅行社，你突然突襲一下，我做生意正常就是要長期的，你對旅行業生態也很了解，對不對？旅遊業者。 |
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林次長國顯：跟委員報告，我們當時是要他們準備，然後慢慢整理，但是並沒有說要完全開放，到2月7日以前是請他們準備，還沒講go。 |
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張委員啓楷：所以他們要求償不成立嗎？還是可以？可不可以求償？ |
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周副署長廷彰：報告委員，事實上我們為了降低這樣的衝擊，所以3月到5月是可以出團的，6月以後要出團的部分有三個措施，第一個，他可以提早到3月至5月，這是沒有問題的。第二個，他可以改到其他的目的地、其他的國家去旅行。第三個，可能就是要解約，可是解約是B2B，就是旅行社跟對方的旅行社，所以這個還是要看他有沒有訂這樣的契約。 |
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張委員啓楷：如果他拿出他們確實有損害，到時候我們再進一步來談，好嗎？ |
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周副署長廷彰：這時我們再來跟相關業者研商。 |
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張委員啓楷：好，謝謝。 |
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邱主委，你最近有煩惱兩岸惡意螺璇一直往上走嗎？兩會昨天開會，他們把「和平統一」拿掉了。最近金門的事件，你看他們現在海警船出來都是3,000噸的，我們小蝦米對大鯨魚要怎麼做？ |
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邱主任委員太三：我想海巡署都有基本的SOP，就像對岸不管是軍事的或海巡的或其他的，我們大概都有一個基本的SOP。 |
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張委員啓楷：你是專家，你會不會擔心兩岸擦槍走火？ |
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邱主任委員太三：我們是希望想要使用非文明方法的人應該要好好思考。 |
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張委員啓楷：你希望和平啦！我是問你會不會煩惱，有做什麼萬全的準備嗎？ |
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邱主任委員太三：我們還是密切關注。 |
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張委員啓楷：所以沒有準備到什麼進入準戰爭、擦槍走火的準備？ |
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邱主任委員太三：還是要有一段期間的觀察，因為這還涉及到整個周邊區域的問題，所以比較複雜…… |
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張委員啓楷：所以站在陸委會的立場，還是希望兩岸是和平的。 |
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邱主任委員太三：當然。 |
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張委員啓楷：我剛剛開了一扇窗。 |
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邱主任委員太三：而且增加交流。 |
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張委員啓楷：我們來加強交流這一塊，好不好？ |
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邱主任委員太三：好。 |
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張委員啓楷：麻煩再提供資料給我，謝謝。 |
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邱主任委員太三：好。 |
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主席：非常謝謝啓楷委員的質詢，非常謝謝你，也謝謝主委、次長和副署長的回應。但是我剛剛聽到林次長回應的態度就可以知道，我們的旅行業者跟我們觀光署之間的會議，他們是多麼的受到困難重重，也會明瞭為什麼那麼多的旅行業者來向立法委員投訴，這樣的態度基本上你們就沒有想要善意的回應。好不好？請你們好好的檢討一下，待會啓楷要的資料，我會做最後的宣讀，請他們準備，謝謝。 |
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繼續請洪孟楷委員質詢。 |
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76 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-1-15-3 |
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高金素梅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
徐欣瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
王美惠 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
吳琪銘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
蘇巧慧 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
張宏陸 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
黃建賓 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
黃捷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
許宇甄 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
李柏毅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
張智倫 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
丁學忠 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
麥玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
沈伯洋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
鄭正鈐 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
王鴻薇 |
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1 |
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2024-03-06 |
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1130701 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請大陸委員會主任委員及交通部次長、交通部觀光署署長就「赴陸旅遊團停招：決策過程與後
續影響評估」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
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請邱主委張委員好主委你好您今天有套招我看三份報告沒說的結論都是要中國大陸先有善意因為在8月份的時候我們其實就已經記者會的說法就是對等對等你們希望中國大陸那邊有什麼善意 |
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基本上就剛剛不是提到了嗎就是說大家同時開放團客同時開放對另外一個點你提到是希望對等對不對對你的意思就是中國大陸做什麼你這邊就做什麼他們開放團客過來我們就開放一下基本上就團客的部分是這樣子的我們應該對等的還有很多啦比如說我們我先問你一些對等的事情你知道最近我覺得你是比較鴿派的啦你制高點比較高的希望兩岸和平的 |
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中國大陸生意有做了幾個比較友善的動作,包括宗教團、文化團、經濟團、體育團,你知不知道最近有很多團先遷要來台灣嗎?你知道嗎? |
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你知道嗎? |
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我知道啊! |
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你知道? |
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什麼團都沒有過? |
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他們自己的考量啊! |
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什麼?他申請什麼要自己考量?他要來啊!對啊!那我們當然有!我們就有機制可以讓他申請啊!等一下等一下等一下!邱主委等一下等一下等一下!接著接著!第一個,你知道他們有很多宗教團、文化團、經濟團,他們有申請要來對不對?對!其實這是第一個要件嘛對不對?對!其實這是第一個要件嘛對不對?對!其實這是第一個要件嘛對不對?對!其實這是第一個要件嘛對不對?對!其實這是第一個要件嘛對不對?對!其實這是第一個要件嘛對不對?對!其實這是第一個要件嘛對不對?對!其實這是第一個要件嘛對不對?對!其實這是第一個要件嘛對不對?對!其實這是第一個要件嘛對不對?對!其實這是第一個要件嘛對不對?對!其實這是第一個要件嘛對不對?對!其實這是第一個要件嘛對不對?對!其實這是第一個要件嘛對不對?對! |
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沒有損就我了解幾個部分我先了解幾個部分譬如說在去年選舉的時候我沒有邀請他們涉台選者要來結果最後沒有來是因為他們北京沒有同意那第二個就是說如果你剛剛講宗教或什麼等等那原則上是由業務目的事業主管機關先審那審的時候結果最後他們說他們撤回 |
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最近這半年有多少他們這種宗教團或者文化團他們要來 |
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第一個,有多少團要求要來?申請要來?第1個有幾個團最後是通過的?第3個更重要的,被駁回的有多少?可以嗎?你來講很簡單,明天再告訴我不是,這個恐慌沒有辦法,因為這個是我剛剛提到了,所有各種的名目的團,它就先由業務、目的事業主管機關所以有可能是教育部的,也有可能是內政部的,也有可能... |
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阿所以你說兩岸和平阿對阿結果他們申請要來的大陸的業務單位幾乎都沒有沒有沒有我到底什麼原因我們不曉得 |
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臺灣牌,我們都要宣布臺灣兩岸這樣惡意螺旋一直在往上走的時候我們要怎麼樣這樣開出一扇 |
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回去我不曉得齁 |
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一個禮拜,一個禮拜好了因為我剛剛講過了一個禮拜裡面要包括幾個團放行的有幾個最後成行的更重要的沒有來的 |
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那你這一次為什麼只有進那個旅行業者? |
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全責單位到底是誰嗎? |
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大家要討論你總是知道全責單位到底是誰嗎我之前在這個立法院總質詢的時候也表示過了 |
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陸客要來台灣是我們陸委會的權責因為在兩岸條例第15條我們的國人要去大陸原則上是交通部的權責陸委會跟邱泰山沒有點頭你隨便去馬路上抓十個人有沒有一個人會贊成說邱泰山陸委會沒有贊成 |
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沒有點頭交通部會 交通部會同意基本上我在跟各位說第二個報告第二個報告就是說所有的所以8月份的這個討論呢我們陸委會只要負責商務人士要來台的規劃至於團購要出去基本上是由交通部先做他們的規劃好啦我這樣跟你講你沒有點頭他們不會這樣做的我問這個簡單那現在那個業者如果受到 |
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李行業應該很多下單都很少對不對?例如說機票已經買了啦、旅館已經訂啦可不可以跟國家求償? |
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基本上是我們讓他3月到5月的照樣出團那6月以後就是變到前面提早因為旅遊本身是一個有啊 有人就定期票到定飯店就是定到月7月8月 |
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阿機票的訂定本身他是一個商業上的：譬如說他訂的到底是有沒有付訂金還是只是一個appointment阿他如果真的有訂金阿我訂好了：他可以來你球場賣啦你賠不賠啦應該沒這個機制吧沒這個機制喔我們是阿我來做理型社我們請他盡量來調整突然突襲一下我用做生意就是進行就是長期阿理型社你對理型社有什麼概念嗎理由業者教委員報告齁我們當然是叫他準備嘛 |
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報告委員,事實上我們為了降低這樣的一個衝擊所以3月到5月是可以出團的那6月以後要出團的一個部分的話要有三個措施第一個是說他可以提早提早到3月到5月這邊這是沒有問題的 |
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你最近就反而兩岸二一螺旋一直往上走嗎? |
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兩會長啓楷他們把那個和平統一拿掉了嘛對不對?這件金門的事你看他們的那個海警船現在出來都3000噸的對不對?我們的小蝦米對大經理要怎樣?你覺得? |
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我講海巡署他們都有基本的SOP就像對岸不管是軍事的或者是海巡的或者是其他的我們大概都有一個基本的SOP你轉角你會反而現在兩岸有擦槍走火嗎?我們是希望想要使用非文明方法的戰爭你希望和平啦我是說你會反而不會啦會反而有做什麼?我們還是密切關注啦密切關注 |
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非常謝謝齊凱委員的質詢 非常謝謝您也謝謝我們的主委次長的回應 |