| IVOD_ID |
149425 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149425 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-06T12:28:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-06T12:39:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/aa454a369d2b172fad4259d85e680776b97b2be93641c974f8ba9b0039caa7a67353aa92d074c9205ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:28:54 - 12:39:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請大陸委員會主任委員及交通部次長、交通部觀光署署長就「赴陸旅遊團停招：決策過程與後續影響評估」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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1180 |
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賴委員士葆：（12時28分）謝謝主席以及各位先進。有請交通部林次長還有陸委會邱主委。 |
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主席：請邱主委還有林次長。謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：我先請教邱主委，今天這個禁陸團令是誰下的決定？ |
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邱主任委員太三：這個是我們在2月6號…… |
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賴委員士葆：國安會議嗎？ |
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邱主任委員太三：不是，我們跟交通部跟相關的…… |
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賴委員士葆：總統沒有主持嗎？ |
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邱主任委員太三：沒有…… |
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賴委員士葆：沒有？ |
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邱主任委員太三：不是總統，因為這個基本上…… |
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賴委員士葆：主持人是誰？ |
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邱主任委員太三：8月份的時候…… |
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賴委員士葆：主持人是誰？我問你主持人是誰？ |
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邱主任委員太三：就是跨部會的運作…… |
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賴委員士葆：跨部會的主持人是誰？像今天的主持人就是高金委員。 |
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邱主任委員太三：因為那天都不是我們兩個人去參加的…… |
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賴委員士葆：所以你都沒有參加？ |
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邱主任委員太三：不，不，我們是指派人去的，這部分應該是詹副主委去…… |
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賴委員士葆：這麼大的事情，你指派人去喔？ |
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邱主任委員太三：因為…… |
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賴委員士葆：你逃避責任喔！ |
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邱主任委員太三：我沒有所謂逃避責任…… |
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賴委員士葆：這樣…… |
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邱主任委員太三：委員大概也知道，一般的國安會議，我們每個禮拜都有召開…… |
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賴委員士葆：這個是什麼會議？ |
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邱主任委員太三：這個是針對前面已經宣布的，當時是經濟部還有我們跟交通部，針對到底要不要開放我們的團客到大陸，跟商務人士來臺等等…… |
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賴委員士葆：所以那個會議你也沒有參加？ |
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邱主任委員太三：那個會議我有參加。 |
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賴委員士葆：我說的是拍板決定禁止赴陸團，你沒有參加？ |
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邱主任委員太三：應該是最後一次我沒有參加，因為之前我們會把各單位的…… |
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賴委員士葆：不能這樣子喔！這麼大的政策！ |
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邱主任委員太三：委員應該知道我們每一個首長要參加的會議很多，不管是行政院的院會…… |
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賴委員士葆：當然，看事務的程度，可是這個不重要嗎？ |
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邱主任委員太三：我剛剛不是講了嗎？基本上我們每個禮拜都會有所謂的國安會議，我們會跟相關…… |
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賴委員士葆：總統大選的時候，賴清德怎麼樣說要照顧我們的觀光業、旅遊業，要開放大陸，結果現在選上了，你們騙到了、當選了，就…… |
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邱主任委員太三：委員你這樣講可能…… |
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賴委員士葆：結果…… |
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邱主任委員太三：剛剛前面國民黨的委員有提到其他六項，最後一項是開放中客到臺灣來，我們開放了，問題是他們不放啊。 |
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賴委員士葆：這是另外一件事。 |
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邱主任委員太三：剛剛那個國民黨的委員就列了六項，副署長都有看到，第六項就是開放中客到臺灣…… |
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賴委員士葆：你要尊重每一個立委的意見…… |
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邱主任委員太三：結果是對岸不放啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：你尊重我的意見！ |
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邱主任委員太三：因為你問到這個問題，我只好跟你補充。 |
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賴委員士葆：我告訴你，你不能用他來說，他又不是聖經，你這樣是黑白「花」！不能當過立委的政務官就這樣黑白「花」！現在邱太三明白告訴我…… |
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主席：對不起，讓我主持會議一下，請主委針對現在質詢委員所提出的問題，而不是上個委員所提的問題。謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：非常好！這個主席當得好！以後都讓你當主席！主委，這麼大的一個禁陸團令，第一個你不在場，第二個你也不知道是誰拍板的，這告訴我們什麼？就是說，反正你不在場，到時候出問題了，也沒得追究的！耍無賴，說我不知道，兩手一攤！ |
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邱主任委員太三：沒有啦！你沒有看我今天還是來接受各位的質詢？ |
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賴委員士葆：對啊！你就不知道啊！ |
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邱主任委員太三：我怎麼會不知道，你問我任何一個問題，我都知道，不然你問！ |
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賴委員士葆：你當時沒有在場啊！我要問的就是…… |
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邱主任委員太三：委員，我們這個回來都會寫報告給我。 |
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賴委員士葆：我要問的就是這個決定是誰做的？誰敲這個錘子？那個主席很重要！ |
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邱主任委員太三：我想主席也是一樣，尊重大家討論到最後的決議…… |
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賴委員士葆：時間暫停，我跟召委報告，我們要求他事後提供那一天做成禁陸團令的會議名稱、時間、誰當主席、出席者的名單給我們，可以嗎？ |
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主席：不好意思，我在這邊回覆一下士葆委員，最後我會裁定，提醒他們再提供什麼樣的資料，你剛剛提供的意見很好，其實我已經準備好了。謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：這個主席很棒！邱主委以前是國代出身的，我對你講大聲一點，罵大聲一點，會說一聲歹勢，但是又覺得你不得不罵。 |
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邱主任委員太三：謝謝您體諒。 |
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賴委員士葆：主委，我們都知道，美蘇兩大強權過去的時候，戰成那樣，打得那樣，還是有大使來往，有政治手段；現在臺灣對中國大陸來看，就說一個是強硬的，一個就是放軟的，結果你看我們這邊現在幾乎百分之百是零，兩會沒有溝通。海基、海協請問什麼時候可以恢復交流？海基會的員工沒事情可以做了！ |
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邱主任委員太三：我想這個就是對岸他們能夠自己擺脫那個政治的魔咒跟框架，那大概就可以了！ |
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賴委員士葆：它已經存在八年了，你要解決啊！你不要不會駛船嫌溪彎！ |
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邱主任委員太三：沒有，沒有。我想兩岸有很多處理的機制，有的需要的是政治層面的，有的需要…… |
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賴委員士葆：我先問你一個很實際的問題，比如你任何重要的意思有沒有透過適當的管道讓對岸知道，有沒有？ |
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邱主任委員太三：我想兩岸…… |
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賴委員士葆：這時候你要講實話，你要講實話！ |
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邱主任委員太三：對，對，我先講完。我想兩岸三十幾年來建立了很多的機制…… |
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賴委員士葆：所以你的白話文，就是你的意思一定有辦法讓對岸知道？有秘密管道的意思？ |
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邱主任委員太三：沒有什麼秘密管道啦，就是既有的管道、現成的管道！ |
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賴委員士葆：問題是，海基、海協就沒通啊！ |
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邱主任委員太三：委員，我再報告一次，沒有關係。因為兩岸過去三十幾年來已建立很多的機制，簽了很多的協議，也設立了很多的窗口，有的窗口是傳達訊息，有的窗口是處理個案…… |
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賴委員士葆：過去陳水扁執政的時候，陸委會的主委叫蔡英文，姓蔡名英文，那時候還有複委託…… |
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邱主任委員太三：後來還有陳明通。 |
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賴委員士葆：現在來講，台旅會跟陸海旅會有沒有通？這也是典型的複委託。 |
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林次長國顯：他們有派代表在這邊，我們一般都會…… |
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賴委員士葆：我問你現在有沒有通，你都不講。 |
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林次長國顯：跟委員報告還有。 |
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賴委員士葆：最近金廈事件有沒有通？ |
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邱主任委員太三：那不是他們的。 |
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林次長國顯：金廈事件不是海旅會的。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，他們有沒有反映說歡迎我們的陸團去，或是說為什麼陸團都說好了，怎麼又沒有了？有沒有？講一下！講一下！ |
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主席：委員在質詢，請明確回答。 |
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周副署長廷彰：報告委員，小兩會主要是在觀光這個業務，我們一直釋放善意，歡迎陸客可以組團來到臺灣，他們也是希望我們可以到大陸去旅遊。 |
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賴委員士葆：你們也跟他們表示，因為對岸對我們不友善，所以我們停了，對岸能不能接受？對岸的反應是什麼？陸海旅會的反應是什麼？ |
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周副署長廷彰：我們是釋放善意啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：他們怎麼講？ |
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周副署長廷彰：他們目前應該是…… |
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賴委員士葆：沒有什麼應該啦！你還不清楚狀況嗎？ |
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周副署長廷彰：應該是還沒有回應。 |
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賴委員士葆：沒有回應嘛！請問邱主委，兩岸關係現在是越來越好？還是越來越不好？還是差不多？ |
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邱主任委員太三：就是差不多啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：在人家召開的兩會──人大會跟政協會議那麼重要的講稿裡面，原來都是講應和平統一，就是他講他的，結果現在把「和平」拿掉了，外界解讀說，就是因為對金廈的事情不滿，才把它拿掉了。 |
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邱主任委員太三：跟委員再報告一次，我們把過去歷次不同政黨的時代，他們在兩會所做的報告，我們做了比較綜合性的研析，簡單來講…… |
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賴委員士葆：主席已經站上來了，所以你不要講太多…… |
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邱主任委員太三：簡單來講，就是他們在民進黨執政的時候大概是反獨優先；在國民黨執政的時候是促統優先，大概有這樣的一個差異。 |
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賴委員士葆：現在呢？是既促統又反獨？是不是？ |
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邱主任委員太三：目前看起來，他們在過去這幾個月的說法大概都是要反制台獨勢力跟外界的干預，大概都是用這兩個。 |
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賴委員士葆：是不是針對賴清德？ |
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邱主任委員太三：我不認為是這樣子，因為這已經好幾年都這樣子。 |
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賴委員士葆：我要補充的最後一點，兩個大人吵架，不能夠把小孩子拿去撞。 |
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邱主任委員太三：對，我也認為這樣。 |
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賴委員士葆：可是你們現在就這樣子啊！兩會不好，然後就把我們的旅遊業拿去撞下去，這樣子撞下去是不好的。 |
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邱主任委員太三：委員你要跟對岸大概強調一點，他們不但不對等，而且不公平！為什麼開放了138個國家…… |
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賴委員士葆：全世界沒有這樣的國家啦！哪有跟其他國家吵架，就禁止赴陸團，對不起，你這是違憲！找不到法律的依據，你說的那個國家利益，就是在道地的戒嚴條款底下，就是只有行政權，不能這樣啦！ |
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主席：非常謝謝賴士葆委員的質詢，也謝謝主委、次長。我跟委員說明一下，我等會會做一個結論；第二個，明天會安排陸委會、海基會來做業務報告，所以明天再來，我們期待還會看到精彩的質詢跟對話，好嗎？謝謝。 |
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現在請謝衣鳯委員，謝衣鳯委員，謝衣鳯委員不在。 |
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我們按照剛剛宣告的休息3分鐘，然後再繼續開會。 |
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休息（12時40分） |
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繼續開會（12時43分） |
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主席：現在繼續開會，請鄭正鈐委員質詢。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
76 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-1-15-3 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
高金素梅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
徐欣瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
王美惠 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
吳琪銘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
蘇巧慧 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
張宏陸 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
黃建賓 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
黃捷 |
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邀請大陸委員會主任委員及交通部次長、交通部觀光署署長就「赴陸旅遊團停招：決策過程與後
續影響評估」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請交通部的林次長還有陸委會的邱主委好嗎好請邱主委還有林次長謝謝我先請教邱主委今天的這個進入團令是誰下的決定 |
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這是我們在2月6日開的會議嗎?不是,我們跟交通部跟相關的總統沒有主持嗎?沒有不是總統,因為這個基本上主持人是誰?主持人是誰?這個8月份的時候主持人是誰?問你8月就是跨部會的跨部總統有一個主持人我想今天的主持人就是高津有個主持人啦,什麼人?那一天是 |
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那天因為我們兩個都不是我們兩個去參加的啦但是因為我們是只派人去啦我們是應該是專務組委員 |
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因為大概我沒有所謂逃避責任委員會大概知道我們一般的國安會議我們是每個禮拜都會有召開這個是針對前面已經宣布的就是當時這個經濟部我們跟交通部針對到底要開放我們團客到大陸跟商務人士來台等等 |
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所以那個會議你也沒有參加那個會議我有參加那個會議我有參加開動的會議決定反禁止主陸團、赴陸團你沒有參加應該是最後一次我沒有參加因為之前我們會把各單位的 |
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總統大選的時候賴清德怎麼樣子說要照顧 |
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這個我們的觀光業、旅遊業的開放道路結果現在選上了、表片到了、當選了你這樣講可能好好去前面那個國民黨的委員他有提他的六項最後一項是開放中客到台灣來然後我們開放啊,問題是他不放啊 |
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我告訴你喔! |
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主委就針對我們現在執行的委員他所提出的問題是上個委員所提的問題好不好謝謝 |
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這個做主席當然好阿蓋讓你做主席啦主委啊主委你可以想這麼大的一個進團進入團令第一個你不在第二個你也不是水拍板的 |
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這是告訴我們什麼就是說反正你不在 到時候出問題人家就追究我耍無賴 我不知道兩手一攤我今天還是要接受各位的質詢我不知道你問我任何一個問題我都知道不然你問 |
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主席尊重大家討論最後的決議 |
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我們要求他事後提供吧,內政會議就是做成進入團令的時間、會議名稱、誰當主席、出席名單給我們,可以嗎?好,不好意思,我在這邊回覆一下這個司法委員我事實上做最後我會裁定,請他們再提供什麼樣的資料來你剛剛提供的意見很好,其實我已經準備好了,謝謝你這個 |
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在邱主委以前是國代出身的喔我要對你講大聲一點罵大聲一點你是要說抱歉的喔但是就覺得你不是罵的謝謝你體諒來主委我們都知道嘛齁美蘇兩大強權過去的時候把你整個這樣撲個這樣還是有大使來往啊有政治手段啊現在台灣對中國大陸來看的話只有 |
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就是說一個我們強硬的一個就是放軟的結果我們現在這邊幾乎百分之百這邊是0了幾乎是0了兩會沒有溝通你看喔兩會海基海協請問什麼時候可以恢復交流我想這個就是對岸他能夠自己擺脫那個政治的模特跟框架那大概就可以了他已經存在8年了你要解決啊 |
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請問請問請問請問請問請問請問請問 |
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我講兩岸三十幾年來呢建立了很多的機制所以你的白話文就是你的意思一定有辦法讓對岸知道有秘密管道的意思沒有什麼秘密管道啦就具有的管道啦具有的管道就現場的管道啦 |
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有的窗口是傳達訊息有的窗口是處理個案過去陳水扁執政的時候那時候陸委主委叫做蔡英文 |
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姓蔡名英文顧緯托現在來講台旅跟陸海旅會有沒有通?也是典型的顧緯托他們有派代表在這邊現在有沒有通?我問你有沒有通?最近的驚嚇事件有沒有通? |
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警校事件不是海旅會他們有沒有反映說歡迎我們入團去或者有沒有失望說為什麼入團的公庫為什麼不來有沒有講一下講一下回答 |
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請明確回答好不好,現在有一個質詢,謝謝報告委員,所以因為在小館會主要是觀光這個業務所以我們一直釋放這個三一說歡迎陸客可以組團來到台灣當然他們也是希望我們可以到大陸去旅遊你們也表示呢 |
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跟他說,因為對岸對岸不友善,所以我們停了。對岸能不能接受?對岸的反應是什麼?這個陸海旅會的反應是什麼?我們是釋放善意啦。他怎麼講?他怎麼講?他目前應該是...就是...沒什麼應該啊!他應該是還沒回應啦! |
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沒有回應嘛這東西來來來邱主委請問你兩岸關係現在是越來越好還是越來越不好現在還是差不多就是差不多啦人家兩會這麼重要的講稿裡面結果兩會啊現在才開的兩會啊人大跟政要政協啊 |
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主席是站出來的,所以你不要講太多 |
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我要補充的最後一點 |
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兩位大人吵架不能夠把小孩子拿去撞對 我也認為這樣你們現在就這樣子啊兩會不好然後就把我們的旅遊業誰去攏不是誰來攏 這樣攏所以你要跟對岸大概強調一點他不但不對等而且不公平為什麼開放了38個國家全世界各個國家啦跟其他國家吵架呢而且你禁止赴陸團對不起你是違憲找不到法律的依據你那個那什麼國家利益這個 |
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賴士葆委員 |