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149423 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149423 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
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| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-06T12:10:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-06T12:20:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/aa454a369d2b172f5d4238bc30d78b3cb97b2be93641c974f8ba9b0039caa7a67231974dec5445ca5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:10:37 - 12:20:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請大陸委員會主任委員及交通部次長、交通部觀光署署長就「赴陸旅遊團停招：決策過程與後續影響評估」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（12時11分）主席、各位委員，有請交通部。 |
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主席：有請交通部次長，謝謝。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：還有觀光署。 |
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主席：好，觀光署副署長。 |
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林次長國顯：鄭委員早。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：次長好，副署長好。兩岸關係以我們的年紀都應該知道，我們就不要講很早，從蔣經國到李登輝到陳水扁總統，就先到這裡。兩岸關係很多的變化起起伏伏，對不對？臺灣自稱民主法治的國家，自由民主很重要，從過去蔣經國時代開始開放探親，都是臺灣先。從開放探親，到後來的自由行、組團，請問一下，臺灣的人民組團自由的去大陸，什麼時候開始？ |
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林次長國顯：報告委員，76年。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：76年，對不對？按照所謂的威權統治，83年以前叫威權統治，對不對？這是臺灣的法律明定，威權統治時期我們就開放自由行了。所以我請教一下，你知道大陸發射飛彈的時間嗎？ |
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林次長國顯：應該是1995年吧，1995年。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：1996年臺海危機，臺灣海峽飛彈危機，我們有沒有停止自由行？針對這個部分，我們作為交通部、作為觀光署，為了人民的自由，為了人民觀光的自由、旅行業的這些產業要去說服，要去跟陸委會，甚至國安局國安單位他們說明，我們不能倒退，現在是倒退啊，現在是倒退。 |
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林次長國顯：跟委員報告，自由行還是開放的，我們自由行還是可以去大陸，目前沒有禁。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：但是不能組團，這有差別對不對？好，105年起因為蔡英文執政了，大陸開始做了很多的限制，108年8月1號起，暫停47個城市大陸居民來臺，那我們還是繼續去對不對？那次長，我們還是繼續組團去嘛。 |
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林次長國顯：是陸方禁止他們。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對呀，陸方禁止了。現在變成，陸方因為不讓他們來，不讓大陸人民來，所以我們就，M什麼…… |
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林次長國顯：M503。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：M503，那個跟飛彈危機如何相比，對不對？所以政治的因素絕對會有，但是怎麼樣去勸；因為我是事務官出身，我在中央原民會服務都經歷過，民進黨執政、國民黨執政都經歷過。這些政務官沒辦法，他有他的不同的使命，但是我們作為事務官，觀光署你是事務官，署長你現在是事務官嗎？現在改了？ |
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林次長國顯：副署長是事務官。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：副署長是事務官嘛，所以我們要去勸，要勸的話，當然要有說服的資料，提供說服的資訊，對不對？不然的話一直一直去爭論那個，以現在的危機還沒有到飛彈危機吧，對不對？發射飛彈喔，所以兩岸的關係起起伏伏，會因著執政者的政策有很多的變動。但是怎麼樣就人民的權益，人民的權益是最優先的，當然這個部分你們也是受害了，你們一直被旅行社罵，但是該反映的還是要反映。 |
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林次長國顯：跟委員報告，其實您提的很重要，我們基於目的事業主管機關，我們會聽各方業者的意見，所以在過去結合陸委會跟經濟部，其實就是希望這個方向是往正面開放為主，但是也要等對方有正面互動。因為國內有一堆旅行業者、觀光業者、餐旅業者，他們希望陸客來台，所以是希望兩邊相向而行，正面來互動是比較好的結果。那您剛提的這幾項其實都是陸方目前為止沒有開放，我們自由行一直沒有停，自由行是可以過去，那團客的部分，目前3月1號到5月31號也開放，就是讓大陸先看到我們的善意。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：不管名稱叫什麼都不重要，就是臺灣的人民自由的去哪裡都沒有關係。好，我先撇開大陸，請教一下，我們跟其他國家有開放組團或是他們的人民自由過來，或是他們禁止，哪一個國家，我們就先舉離大陸最近的北韓，北韓他們的人民可以自由的來嗎？他們可以組團來嗎？沒有嘛，不行嘛。 |
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林次長國顯：報告委員，基本上很多國家是由…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我們可以自由的去，我們沒有禁止，我們組團還是可以去啊。 |
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林次長國顯：我們沒有禁止，基本上大部分國家也都沒有禁止他們的人民來臺灣旅遊。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以從觀光業，觀光業是一個產業，我們必須要去考量。當然人民的安全是第一考量，在人民的安全並沒有危害的情況之下，難免會有政治的因素，但是這些政治的因素我們要強烈的去說明，不要讓臺灣的自由民主法治國家倒退，所以這個部分，因為剛才都聽過，我的同學陸委會主委，都聽過他講，我就不再問他了，好，謝謝。 |
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林次長國顯：謝謝委員指教，謝謝。 |
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主席：好，非常謝謝鄭天財委員質詢，謝謝。也謝謝次長跟副署長。繼續請沈伯洋委員來質詢，我們到謝衣鳯委員質詢結束，休息3分鐘好不好，謝謝。請沈伯洋委員。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請大陸委員會主任委員及交通部次長、交通部觀光署署長就「赴陸旅遊團停招：決策過程與後
續影響評估」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
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主席、各位委員有請這個交通部有請交通部次長,謝謝還有觀光署好,觀光署副署長次長好兩岸的關係以我們的年紀都應該知道 |
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從這個我們就不要講很早啊從這個蔣經國到李登輝到陳水扁總統我們就先到這裡這個兩岸的關係這個很多的變化起起伏伏對不對那台灣的自稱民主法治的國家自由民主這個很重要 |
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從過去這個蔣經國時代開始這個探親嘛開放探親都是我們先啊都是台灣先啊從開放探親到後來的這個自由行組團請問一下組團台灣的人民自由的要去大陸什麼時候開始 |
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我請教一下你知道有 |
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大陸發射飛彈的時間嗎應該是1995年吧1995年1996年臺海危機臺灣海峽飛彈危機我們有沒有停止這個自由行所以這個部分這個是我們作為交通部作為觀光署 |
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為了人民的自由為了人民觀光的自由旅行業的這些產業要去說服要去跟這個陸委會甚至國安局 |
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國安單位要去跟他們說明啊我們不能倒退啊現在是倒退啊現在是倒退啊我們自由行還是開放的我們自由行還是可以去大陸目前沒有進但是不能組團啊這有差別啊對不對好我們就看 |
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105年起因為大陸105年起因為蔡英文執政了是大陸開始做了很多的開始限制108年8月1號起暫停47個城市大陸居民來臺那我們還是繼續嘛 |
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對不對那個次長我們還是繼續組團去嘛是陸方禁止他們對啊陸方禁止啦我們現在變成說陸方因為不讓他們來不讓大陸人民來所以我們就好什麼M503M503那個跟飛彈危機如何相比啊 |
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對不對所以政治的因素絕對會有但是怎麼樣去欠因為我是事務官出身國民黨執政、民進黨執政我在中央人民會服務都經歷過民進黨執政、國民黨執政都經歷過這些政務官 |
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政務官沒辦法他有他的不同的使命但是我們作為事務官光署你是事務官署長你是現在政務官嗎事務官要改了副署長是事務官事務官所以我們要去欠要欠的話當然要說服的資料提供說服的資料資訊對不對 |
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說服的資訊一直一直去爭論那個沒有再比以現在的危機還沒有到飛彈危機吧發射飛彈喔所以這個部分這個兩岸的關係起起伏伏會因著這個政策執政者的政策 |
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會有很多的變動,但是怎麼樣救人民的潛意,人民的潛意是最優先的。所以這個部分,當然你們也是受害,你們一直被旅行社罵, |
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但是該反映的還是要反映?是,跟委員報告,其實您提的很重要啦我們基於目的事業主管,我們會聽各方業者的意見所以為什麼在過去結合陸委會跟經濟部其實就希望這個方向是往正面來開放為主 |
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但是也要等對方有正面互動因為國內有一堆旅行業者、觀光業者、參旅業者他們希望陸客來台所以這個是希望兩邊相向而行正面來互動是比較好的結果那您剛提的這幾項其實都是陸方目前為止沒有開放我們自由行一直沒有停我們自由行是可以過去那團客的部分目前3月1號到5月31號也開放就是讓大家先看到我們的善意 |
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不管是名稱叫什麼都不重要就是台灣的人民自由的去去哪裡都沒有關係好我先從先北開大陸好了我請教一下我們跟其他國家其他國家有開放組團或是他們的人民自由過來然後 |
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或是他們禁止哪一個國家我們就先擠先擠這個離大陸最近的北韓北韓他們的人民可以自由的來嗎他們可以組團來嗎 |
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所以這個部分,從這個觀光業觀光業是一個產業 |
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這個我們必須要去考量當然人民的安全當然是第一考量在人民的安全並沒有危害的情況之下這個難免會有政治的因素但是這些政治的因素我們要強烈的去說明 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |