| IVOD_ID |
149341 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149341 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-19-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-06T09:58:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-06T10:08:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/aa454a369d2b172f2e2228bab706676b8e47b20f39b04ac8f8ba9b0039caa7a66c7d451d8d01ad695ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:58:16 - 10:08:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月4日、3月6日及7日三天一次會】） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（9時58分）主席、各位委員，有請主委。 |
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主席：好，我們再請龔主委。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：鄭委員早安。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：主委好。本席在今年的2月5號行文給國發會，針對原民會113年元月10號函報花東地區原住民族部落聚會所興建行動計畫，國發會在2月7號就很快的回函，特別提到刻正函請各有關機關研提意見中。請問一下目前的進度怎麼樣？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：原則上我們會支持，但是行政上我是不是請處長說明一下？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，請說明。 |
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黃處長文彥：跟委員做個報告，這個計畫其實大概花東基金跟宜居部落經費大概會各付一半，現在各部會的意見大致都回來了，我們會儘快函復行政院，大概我們原則會支持。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：各部會的意見有沒有需要原民會去做修正的？ |
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黃處長文彥：應該是不用。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：應該是不用修正，所以速度會很快。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以這個經費來源，剛剛有提到，一個是原民會的宜居部落計畫嗎？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：對，一個是我們花東基金。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這個比例怎麼樣？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：當然是50、50啦！我們少一點點，因為以公務機關為主，基金為輔，所以會差一點點，但是其實差不多啦！ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，是不是這個？花東地區永續發展基金補助計畫運作機制？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：對。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：處長，是不是？ |
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黃處長文彥：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：沒有錯吧，是這個。所以剛才那個原民會所提的這個計畫，也就是所謂的宜居部落可用原民會的公務預算之外，另外就是花東基金的……按照這個機制是49%。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：對。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，我們看。簡化花東地區永續發展基金補助計畫運作機制是在108年7月12號國發會奉行政院核可之後所訂出來的，這裡面除了縣政府提報的機制是原來就有的，現在就是特別增加了鄉鎮市公所提報的機制。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：對。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：還有各部會以及民間委員提報的機制，有建立了一個這樣的機制。因為從108年7月12號函頒之後，現在已經是113年度了，本席也想瞭解實際上的執行情形，是不是請國發會提供從108年起鄉鎮市公所、部會或民間委員提報的計畫名稱，以及核定的情形，可以嗎？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：可以。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這個部分就請國發會來提供。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我們接下來談原住民族博物館，原住民族已經等待超過8年了，這個8年是從博物館法開始講的，但事實上如果從本席來看就不止，已經十幾年了。本席在101年還是文建會時代，一直到文化部就開始質詢，本來本席也有其他的構想，後來經過多次質詢、協調之後，你看我質詢的次數之多，非常地多……一直到105年2月17號，這個時間點很重要，行政院核定選址在新北市的鶯歌區。但是很遺憾、非常非常地遺憾的是，105年520，將近8年前去，原民會變更選址的作業，要重新選址，不同意在新北市的鶯歌區。 |
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好，重新選址，一直到109年9月21號，光重新選址又花了一年多的時間，最後原民會重新選址在高雄市的澄清湖，109年9月21號到現在這麼多年，所以國家級原住民族博物館的興建歷程非常地艱辛，我們看博物館法，也特別明定國家級的政府要興建這個館。 |
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博物館法第六條「中央目的事業主管機關應設置原住民族博物館」，在這樣的過程當中，從選址、又重新選址到現在，這樣的一個過程我也質詢過很多次，在這段時間，我們就講上一屆就好，我從109開始質詢國發會還有主計總處、原民會，還有文化部，我還請文化部協助原民會。到底問題出在哪裡？中華民國政府興建國家級的博物館太多太多了，有很多案例可以參考，我就不相信原民會……我自己在原民會服務了很多年，我在省政府服務了20年，總共30年的公務人員，我也在省政府看過當初臺灣省政府在精省之前要興建臺南那邊史前博物館的分館，很快地就完成了。主委，到底問題出在哪裡？你審查過很多次啊！ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：報告委員，這個案子我們已經函復行政院，原則是同意的，已經往前走了啦！已經進行了，對！ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：什麼叫做「原則同意」？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：就是它報來的這個方向，我們大概已經同意了，因為…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：方向而已？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：同意以後還要做細部規劃等等一些情況，那就是…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：還在細部規劃？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：它的規劃大致上已經完成了，我們已經函復它了，在2月28號的時候。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這個實在是說……我們就以選址、第二次選址106年到現在也5年了，所以這個部分實在是不只5年，這個問題到底出在哪裡？你們可不可以詳細地寫出意見，提供給本席看是要怎麼去協助原民會或是去協調相關的部會，可以嗎？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：可以。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：到底問題出……到底還有哪些後續需要…… |
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龔主任委員明鑫：後面很快就可以設計開始施工了。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：他們要成立籌備處，也都沒有耶！也都不同意耶！都還沒有！籌備處啊！總是要有籌備處啊！以前都有啊！ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：報告委員，因為這個變核定以後，原民會就可以跟人總說，因為院已經核定了，我要成立這個籌備處。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：你可以把院核定的提供給我嗎？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：我們函復啦！ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：函復給我嗎？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：我們的函復函可以給委員。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，就麻煩了。什麼時候？今天可以嗎？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：可以啊！ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：函復函很容易嘛！ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：對。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝。 |
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接下來請張委員嘉郡作詢答。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢 |
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請做宣達。 |
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主席、各位委員、請主委。 |
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本席在今年的2月5號新聞給國發會針對嚴明會113年1月10號航報這個花東地區原住民族部落集會所興建行動計畫這個國發會在2月7號就很快的回航了 |
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請說明 |
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跟委員做個報告那這個計畫其實大概花東基金跟與居部落的經費會大概會各付一半那現在各部會的意見大致都回來了我們會盡快含附行政院大概我們原則會支持各部會的意見有沒有需要嚴明會去做修正應該是不用修正速度會很快那個所以這個 |
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金費來源,剛有提到一個是演命會的移籍部落計劃嗎?對,一個是我們發動基金好,這個比例怎麼樣?大概50-50啦,我們少一點點因為以公務機關為主嘛,那基金為輔嘛,但是所以說會差一點點,這差不多啦那就是說,好,是不是這個? |
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發動第7永續發展基金補助計劃運作機制 |
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市長是不是?沒有錯吧?是這個所以就是說那個剛才的那個委員會所提的這個計畫這個除了遺跡部落這個委員會的公務預算之外另外就是花東基金的好像按照這個機制是49%49%啦對對對好我們看齁這個是 |
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這個講話花東第7永續發展基金補助計劃的運作機制是在108年7月12日國發會奉行政院合可之後所訂出來的 |
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那這裡面除了縣政府提報的機制原來就有了那現在就特別增加了這個鄉鎮施工所提報的機制還有各部會以及民間委員提報的機制有這樣建立了這樣的一個機制 |
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要請這個國發會因為從108年7月12號航班之後也已經現在已經113年度了那本席也想瞭解實際上的執行的一個情形是不是請這個我們國發會提供提供這個從108年起鄉鎮事工所 |
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以及部會或民間委員提報的計劃名稱以及合定的情形可以嗎?可以這個部分就請這個國安會來提供好我們接下來談這個原住民族博物館原住民族已經等待了超過8年這個8年是從這個博物館法開始講 |
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那事實上如果從本席來看不止啦已經十幾年了這個本席在101年還是文建會的時代一直到文化部就開始質詢 |
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本來本席也有其他的一個構想那後來這個經過多次的質詢協調之後你看這個質詢的那個次數之多非常的多一直到105年2月17號這個時間點很重要 |
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105年2月17日行政院合定選址在新北市的因格期但是很遺憾,非常非常的遺憾的就是105年520將近8年前 |
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重新閒置,又花了一年多的時間。 |
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重新閒置：最後嚴明會重新閒置在高雄市的澄清府109年9月21日到現在這麼多年所以國家及原住民族博物館的新建歷程非常的艱辛這個如果我們看這個博物館法 |
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396.894 |
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417.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
也特別明訂這個國家級政府要興建這個博物館法第6條作業目的事業主管機關應設置原住民族博物館在這樣的一個過程當中從選址又重新選址到現在這樣的一個過程 |
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421.994 |
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445.581 |
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我也質詢過很多次在這段時間我們就講上一屆而已我從109開始質詢國發會還有主計總署、研明會還有文化部我還請文化部協助協助研明會到底問題出在哪裡中華民國政府 |
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447.446 |
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475.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
新建國家級的博物館太多太多了很多案例可以參考我就不相信我就不相信演藝會我自己在演藝會服務了很多年了我在省政府服務了20年總共30年的公務人員我也在省政府看過當初臺灣省政府在精神之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
476.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
500.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
要新建台南那邊的一個舍遣博物館的分館很快的就完成了這個主委到底問題出在哪裡你審查過很多次啊不過這個案子我們已經韓副行政院那原則同意了已經往前走了啦已經進行了對開始可以進行什麼叫原則同意 |
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501.728 |
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519.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
對,就是他報來的這個方向,我們大概已經同意了,因為這個同意以後他還要做細部規劃等等一些情況還在細部規劃他的規劃大致上已經完成了,我們已經含附他了,對,在2月28號的時候 |
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523.087 |
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546.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
我們就以第二次限制106年到現在也5年了所以這個部分實際是不止5年了所以這個到底問題出在那裏你們可不可以詳細的寫出意見提供給本席去怎麼樣去協助人民會或是去協調相關的部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
548.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
563.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
可以嗎?到底還有哪些會議需要進行?後面很快就可以設計開始施工了。他們要成立那個籌備處也都沒有呢?也都不同意?都還沒有? |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
566.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
567.552 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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593.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
可以啊,可以。 |