| IVOD_ID |
149300 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149300 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-04T14:33:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-04T14:45:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ad9f873b941d2ddd10e2186c83340f194df0e2384efaf28bf8ba9b0039caa7a61ed5d442e98499e15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:33:30 - 14:45:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請海洋委員會主任委員、大陸委員會主任委員、國防部及海軍司令部參謀長就「金門撞船案:翻船執法過程及後續處理」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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賴委員士葆：（14時33分）謝謝主席及各位先進。有請陸委會的邱主委以及海委會的管主委兩位主委。 |
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主席：請陸委會的邱主委以及管主委，謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：兩位長官好。 |
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邱主任委員太三：委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：我們看到今天國防部，人家的標題就是跟我們召委列的題目一樣，只有你們兩大單位，一個陸委會，一個海巡署，「立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議專題報告」，是什麼專題報告？題目都沒有，沒有這個內容，好歹有個標題吧！標題這麼重要，一個Title這麼重要。我覺得很奇怪，兩位也當過立委，管主委也當了好幾屆，以你在立法院的經驗，我們都很清楚，我在立法院多年都很清楚，你對於這個報告案的Title如果有意見，你事先找她溝通，我請問管主委，你找我們召委溝通了沒有？跟她溝通了沒有？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：跟委員報告，有關於這個部分，確實是對召委有失禮之處，我也特別表達了，在這個部分應該受到指責，我也願意接受指責。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，謝謝。管主委就已經跟她道歉了，邱主委你要不要也跟她道歉一下，你這個藐視我們高金素梅召委，好像她是你下屬一樣…… |
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邱主任委員太三：沒有。 |
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賴委員士葆：她不是你下屬，怎麼會這樣子呢？ |
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邱主任委員太三：委員這可能過度連結了…… |
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賴委員士葆：沒有啦！我看你笑嘻嘻，我也笑嘻嘻啊！ |
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邱主任委員太三：基本上，我想你也可以看到我們寫了這次立法院內政委員會第2次的全體會議專題報告…… |
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賴委員士葆：不可以啦！不可以沒有題目啊！你不是無印良品，你不可以這樣子沒有抬頭，不知道裡面是什麼，都不知道，就寫一個大陸委員會、海洋委員會。 |
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邱主任委員太三：委員，我不瞭解無印良品是什麼。 |
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賴委員士葆：人家管主委已經很客氣了，我覺得這點要肯定，她馬上面對這件事情，對召委要夠尊重，你這樣對召委不尊重，瞧不起召委啊！ |
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邱主任委員太三：不是，我想對於…… |
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賴委員士葆：邱主委，不能這樣子啊！ |
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邱主任委員太三：我並沒有改她的題目，我只是題目沒有寫出來，主要的原因…… |
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賴委員士葆：那就是你不同意啊，你不屑，你知道嗎？不屑她這個題目！ |
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邱主任委員太三：不是不同意，不是這樣子說。我們本來想要在今天口頭報告或書面報告的時候，我們來做說明。 |
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賴委員士葆：老實講，我們都很清楚，在立法院多年都知道，面對召委的題目，如果政務官不能同意，有兩個作法，第一個，去跟召委談，談了以後請召委改，改到覺得這樣可以了，我做過召委好幾次，我有列出題目，金管會主委來找過我、央行總裁來找過我，跟我說：賴召委，這題目這樣太刺了、有針，請我改一下。有事好商量，面對面好商量。第二個，題目不改，但是內容可以針對題目來作疑說這個題目訂得不好、事實不是這樣子、這個題目什麼、什麼等等，這個才是正軌，兩位都當過立委啊，怎麼會犯這樣的錯？難道邱主委沒有覺得你這樣錯嗎？不妥，至少不妥！ |
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邱主任委員太三：確實值得再商議…… |
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賴委員士葆：不妥吧！ |
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邱主任委員太三：那在這一點上，我願意向召委表達歉意。 |
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賴委員士葆：你也願意道歉？可以啦，這樣你可以回去了。 |
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主席：謝謝賴士葆委員替召委出一口氣。 |
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賴委員士葆：替你講個話啦！ |
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主席：謝謝，也謝謝我們主委的大器，也謝謝你的理解。 |
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賴委員士葆：邱主委，請你回去休息一下。 |
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來，管主委，最近有人提一個事，你當立委，其實我們大家看你的表現是有模有樣的，主委在這個事情之前也並沒有什麼太大的問題，可是這個事情出來之後，我就覺得…… |
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邱主委一起來，你喝一口水，可以了？不好意思！ |
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主席：再請邱主委，謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：這個事情到目前為止，你不覺得兩岸的惡意螺旋上升嗎？請邱主委先回答，有沒有看到這樣，惡意螺旋？ |
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邱主任委員太三：基本上，我們不覺得我們有惡意啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：對岸有惡意啊！ |
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邱主任委員太三：但是我們看到的是對岸從第2天開始，所有國臺辦的新聞記者會，並不想把這件事情比照過去…… |
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賴委員士葆：對岸有惡意啊！當然我們要…… |
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邱主任委員太三：報告委員，我剛剛大概有跟幾個委員講過了，其實兩岸發生這種意外事件，過去大概有9次的協商，很快就解決了，我們的人民在大陸大概也有3次，所以其實這個處理的機制過去都有經驗了。 |
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賴委員士葆：對啊！現在為什麼處理成這樣？ |
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邱主任委員太三：我想這應該是問對岸，不是問我們。 |
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賴委員士葆：不是問對岸，問你啦！ |
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邱主任委員太三：我們看到海巡署就是積極的想要儘速去處理…… |
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賴委員士葆：因為至少在我看來，你們有意無意的想讓這一次變成兩岸繼續的惡意螺旋上升，然後讓美國介入來協調，變這個樣子，要緊抱美國大腿。 |
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邱主任委員太三：委員，我看你這個稍微有一點過度的聯想。 |
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賴委員士葆：我聯想很好。 |
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邱主任委員太三：我跟委員提一下差異，今天是在金廈水域，是兩岸人民的漁場，大家互相關意，這不是臺海中線。 |
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賴委員士葆：我知道啦！但是因為現在…… |
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邱主任委員太三：所以不要把它聯想到什麼美國或是其他國家，這是只有我們的禁、限制水域，這個不是鄰海。 |
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賴委員士葆：因為處理不好，所以海警、海監的船也跑過去抓我們金門啊！ |
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邱主任委員太三：不是，過去發生一些意外的案例多得是啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：他們現在跑來了啊！ |
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邱主任委員太三：剛剛海巡署署長不是講了嗎？過去好幾次都有處理的經驗。 |
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賴委員士葆：其實我們大家都很清楚，大家都知道本來這個事情，比方像廣大興，我們被菲律賓撞船了，我們就要求幾個嘛，大陸要的就跟我們一樣。 |
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邱主任委員太三：委員，那個恐怕不一樣，這個可能要把屏東地檢署的相關調查資料拿來好好看，會發現有很大的差異。 |
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賴委員士葆：假如撞船，我說假如撞船，現在你們是定調…… |
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邱主任委員太三：因為就像我講的，那是在公海發生的爭議。 |
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賴委員士葆：第一個，大家要真相，全世界都要真相，你們不反對吧？ |
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邱主任委員太三：對啊！ |
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管主任委員碧玲：他們也是等到司法…… |
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賴委員士葆：第二個，要人道，好歹要關懷吧！ |
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邱主任委員太三：我看管主委已經很關懷了。 |
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賴委員士葆：有嗎？ |
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邱主任委員太三：不然您請…… |
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賴委員士葆：來，你也藉這個場合跟大陸喊話要不要？你在這裡，以你政務官的高度…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：跟委員報告，這件事情發生以後，許副署長可以做見證，我第一時間請他一定要找高僧來超度、來設置靈堂，然後要給予安寧，然後開始素齋…… |
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賴委員士葆：請問有沒有跟家屬道歉，有沒有？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：我們也請了海巡署署長下去，也致贈了撫慰金，也跟家屬會面…… |
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賴委員士葆：好，撫慰金致贈多少錢？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：也上香致敬，也跟亡者致歉…… |
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賴委員士葆：你不要一直講，我時間有限，不能這樣拖啊！ |
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管主任委員碧玲：那家屬…… |
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賴委員士葆：你回答問題好不好？請主席阻止她講話一下，我沒有請你講，請你不要講好不好？ |
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主席：抱歉，我們互相尊重一下…… |
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賴委員士葆：互相尊重嘛！不要一抓到就一直講，我都沒辦法講了。 |
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主席：請主委就他的問題來回答好嗎？謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：我有很多要問。周署長。 |
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主席：請周署長，謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：周署長，請問你有沒有展現你對家屬的關懷、對這個事情的關懷？ |
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周副主任委員美伍：是，有。 |
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賴委員士葆：有嘛！ |
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周副主任委員美伍：我是親自跟他們…… |
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賴委員士葆：親自去嘛！也親自道歉，是不是？ |
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周副主任委員美伍：親自表達我們的歉意。 |
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賴委員士葆：親自道歉？ |
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周副主任委員美伍：我是跟家屬對這件事…… |
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賴委員士葆：署長就做得很好！ |
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周副主任委員美伍：不是…… |
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賴委員士葆：這件事你為什麼沒有公開說？這是很好的事情啊！ |
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管主任委員碧玲：有發布了新聞，指派…… |
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周副主任委員美伍：其實我們陸陸續續都有發新聞…… |
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賴委員士葆：人道關懷請署長做，其實人家覺得如果主委做更好啦，如果主委能夠這樣，你也公開表達歉意，你一直不願意嘛！到目前為止，你也不願意道歉啊！ |
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周副主任委員美伍：沒有、沒有，我們一直都有表達。 |
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賴委員士葆：不管誰怎麼樣，最少發生在我們的海域裡面，死了人，人命關天啦。 |
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周副主任委員美伍：沒錯。 |
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賴委員士葆：好歹我們也表示在我們這裡發生這件事，我很抱歉，對他的家屬。道歉又分兩個，慰問跟人道關懷，就是道歉、慰問，要對死者或者對死者家屬，要對哪一個，或者二個都是？ |
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周副主任委員美伍：我有親自到死者的殯儀館上香向他們追悼，也特別跟死者的家屬當面致意。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以等於是你對死者跟死者的家屬都道歉了。 |
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周副主任委員美伍：都有做。 |
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賴委員士葆：請問管主委，你可以做同樣的事情嗎？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：跟委員報告，這件事情發展到現在，對於家屬來講，我們沒有錄影帶，真的讓他們非常地煎熬，這個部分真的要公開地，再度不斷地表達我們的歉意。至於我們的溝通，溝通到最後會怎麼樣來處理這件事情，我想應該還是要回歸到整個溝通的過程。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，最後一個東西，有沒有談到賠償呢？署長，賠償有沒有？開始談了有？這個賠償很重要。 |
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周副主任委員美伍：已經開始談，只是我們所用的名詞不是賠償，我們用的是…… |
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賴委員士葆：補償？ |
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周副主任委員美伍：撫慰金。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，「撫慰金」也可以啦！價格多少，或者是有銀兩多少可以分？ |
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周副主任委員美伍：這方面我們可能不便透露，因為現在都還在溝通當中。 |
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賴委員士葆：我聽到的，最少是100萬人民幣起跳喔！是不是？還是沒有這麼多？ |
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周副主任委員美伍：我們還在跟對方做一些…… |
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賴委員士葆：你告訴我，因為我看了廣大興的事件、其他事件，還有過去也是有這樣的事件，算起來大概要100萬人民幣左右，是不是這樣？ |
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周副主任委員美伍：如果說按照過往陸委會、海基會處理陸人在臺死亡的這種意外，或者是臺方的人在大陸死亡的意外，我們都有很多案例。 |
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賴委員士葆：是，所以大概…… |
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周副主任委員美伍：海基會跟…… |
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賴委員士葆：平均…… |
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周副主任委員美伍：大概平均都是在三到四百萬臺幣左右。 |
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賴委員士葆：三百、四百萬相當於人民幣的多？ |
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周副主任委員美伍：人民幣大概是80萬到100萬。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以差不多嘛！你看，我的gusts feeling多準啊！「GUSTS」gusts feeling！多準啊！100萬人民幣，所以這就是你的reference line（參考線），我覺得人道撫卹這部分解決完了，很多東西就解決掉了。 |
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周副主任委員美伍：會、會、會，我們會。 |
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賴委員士葆：老實說，我們也不必讓管碧玲來這裡嚷嚷，然後又辛苦得要命。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：委員…… |
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賴委員士葆：我的時間到了，你不要講比較快啦！ |
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管主任委員碧玲：委員，這個部分已經不是問題，不是因為這個問題卡住的，所以我們真的也很希望，人道的這個部分解決的時候，我們能夠就回歸人道，但是目前我們還在努力…… |
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賴委員士葆：你既然講了，我就講一句，請問去協商你要多少、我要多少的是誰？是你在談的嗎？是副署長嗎？是不是因為你比較帥所以是你談？ |
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主席：不好意思，賴士葆委員您的質詢時間到了，我們也謝謝兩位主委，然後署長及副署長，謝謝。 |
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接續我們請吳沛憶委員質詢。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請海洋委員會主任委員、大陸委員會主任委員、國防部及海軍司令部參謀長就「金門撞船案：
翻船執法過程及後續處理」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
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主席及各位先進有請陸委會的邱主委及海洋委員兩位主委兩位長官好我們看到了今天國防部人家他的標題就是跟我們召委列的題目一樣 |
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這只有你們兩大單位一個陸委會一個海巡署立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議專題報告還是什麼專題報告全部都沒有 |
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沒有這個內容好歹有個標題吧標題這麼重要一個title這麼重要我覺得很奇怪啦齁兩位當過立委管主委又是也當了好幾屆嘛齁以你在立法院的經驗我們都很清楚我在立法院多年都很清楚你對他這個報告案的title如果有意見你時間找到溝通嗎 |
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我請問要主委、要管主委,你找我們召委過程了沒有? |
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委員報告有關於這個部分確實是對張偉有失禮之處我也特別的表達了在這個部分應該受到指責我也願意接受你的責任好 謝謝喔那管主委就已經跟他道歉了嘛求主委你要不要也跟他道歉一下你知道這個藐視藐視我們高軍宿美張偉勒好像他是你下屬一樣他不是你下屬勒委員這可能過度 |
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你不是無良...你不是什麼...無孕良貧吶! |
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我並沒有改他的題目我只是把題目沒有寫出來 |
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那主要的原因那就是你不同意啊你不是不同意啦不是說我們本來想要在今天口頭報告的時候或書面報告的時候我們來老實講我們都很清楚在立法院多年都知道面對召委的題目如果政務官不能同意的話兩個做法第一個去跟召委談談得要請召委改改到覺得欸?這樣會三年我做過召委好幾次啊我有列出題目 |
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中共的主委來照顧我,邀請總裁來照顧我說,欸,來照顧我,這地方這樣太臭了,有尖,蓋起來這樣齁 |
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有事好商量面對面好商量第二個題目不改但是內容呢他可以針對題目來做以說這個題目定的不好是不是不是這樣子這個題目呢什麼什麼什麼等等這個才是正軌兩位都當過立委啊怎麼會會犯這樣的錯我覺得 |
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224.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
236.447 |
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難道邱主委沒有覺得你這樣錯嗎?確實值得再商議那在這一點上我願意向召委表達歉意你也願意道歉喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
237.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
239.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
賴士葆,最近有人在提一個事 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
257.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
287.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
你在立委其實我們大家都看你的表現是有沒有有用主委在這個事情之前也並沒有什麼太大的問題可是這個事情出來之後我就覺得邱主委一起來你喝夠水可以了再請邱主委謝謝這個事情到目前為止你不覺得兩岸的惡意螺旋上升嗎請邱主委先回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
288.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
288.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
賴士葆 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
305.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
322.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
報告委員我剛剛大概有跟幾個委員講過了其實兩岸發生這種意外事件呢過去大概有9次的協商的很快就解決了那我們的人民在大陸大概有3次所以其實這個處理的機制過去都有經驗那我想這應該是問對岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
326.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
327.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
我看你這個稍微有一點過度的聯想 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
354.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
359.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
今天是在我跟委員提一下差異今天是在金下水域是兩岸人民的漁場 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
361.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
362.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
其實我們大家都很清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
390.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
413.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
大家都知道這個事情廣大型我們被菲律賓撞船了我們就要求幾個嘛這個大陸要的就跟我們一樣委員那個恐怕不一樣喔那個這個可能要憑憑那個歷史的相關調查然後好好看因為就像我講的那是在公海發生的爭議第一個大家要真相全世界都要真相 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
414.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
417.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
公務員報告,公務員報告這件事情發生以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
435.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
436.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
請問有沒有跟家屬道歉?有沒有? |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
452.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
465.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
我們也請了海巡署的署長下去也致贈了撫慰金也跟家屬懷念有上香致敬也跟亡者致歉我實在有幸不能這樣說我回答問題好不好 那個請主席指指他講話一下我沒有請你講 請你不要講好不好我們要互相尊重一下 請主委就他的問題來回答好不好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
479.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
507.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
來 周署長請問你請問你有沒有展現你的對家屬的關懷對這個事情的關懷 有沒有是 有有嘛喔我是親自親自去嘛親自道歉嘛親自表達我們的歉意親自道歉我是跟家屬對最近署長你做得很好這個事情你現在不說 我要說嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
511.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
534.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
其實我們陸陸續續都有發新聞人道關懷署長做其實人家覺得如果主委做更好啦如果主委能夠這樣子你也公開表達歉你一直不願意嘛到目前為止你也不願意表達歉啦最少不管誰怎麼樣最少發生在我們的海域裡面死了人 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
538.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
538.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
賴主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
545.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
573.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
請問你,這個道歉的分別兩個喔,我也問喔,人道的關懷就是道歉嘛,我也問對死者,或者對死者家屬,對哪一個?或者兩個都是?我有對死者親自到這個殯儀館上香,也向他們追悼那也特別跟死者的家屬當面致意所以等於說你對死者跟死者的家屬都道歉?都有做,都有做那個請問,管主委,你可以做同樣事情嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
576.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
601.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
各位委員報告這件事情發展到現在對家屬來講我們沒有錄影帶真的讓他們非常的煎熬這個部分真的要公開的再度不斷的表達我們的歉意至於說我們在溝通最後我們溝通最後會怎麼樣來處理這件事情我想應該還是回歸到我們溝通的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
603.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
604.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
賴士葆 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
618.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
619.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
我聽到了最少100萬人民幣起跳 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
634.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
637.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
如果說按照過往陸委會、海基會處理陸人在臺死亡這種意外或者是臺方的人在大陸死亡這種意外我們有很多的案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
662.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
668.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
海基會大概平均都是在3到400萬台幣左右3到400萬台幣人民幣大概80萬到100萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
681.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
681.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
委員這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
703.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
703.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
主席賴士葆 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
724.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
724.726 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
主席 |