| IVOD_ID |
149296 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149296 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-04T13:16:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-04T13:29:44+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:07 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ad9f873b941d2ddd7819cd10561691c14df0e2384efaf28bf8ba9b0039caa7a6916aeac3fb5f28305ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:16:37 - 13:29:44 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請海洋委員會主任委員、大陸委員會主任委員、國防部及海軍司令部參謀長就「金門撞船案:翻船執法過程及後續處理」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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1323 |
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陳委員雪生：（13時16分）謝謝我們美麗的召委，辛苦了，是不是請我們海委會。 |
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主席：好，有請管主委。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：陳委員好。 |
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陳委員雪生：主委午安，您當了四任的立法委員嘛？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：是。 |
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陳委員雪生：我們也是老同事了，邱太三主委跟我從國大代表到現在30年了，我們可以說都是老同事，所以我不忍在這個地方來苛責您，我只是滿遺憾的，早上內政委員會高金召集人用「撞船」、「翻船」的字眼引起海委會那麼強烈的反擊，撞船不見得是錯的啊！撞船不見得是錯的，也可能是對的啊！今天在立法院提出這樣的說明報告，我們海委會可以據理說明嘛？這個事件的本身大家很清楚，就是一個警匪的追逐嘛，是不是？很清楚啊！不要說剛才的影片，你看以前楊源明組長是不是帶了槍，警匪的片子。 |
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然後是海巡，我從當縣長一直到現在，我們對海岸巡的弟兄說真的非常的好，我前天跟主委通電話的過程裡面，我說我們縣長、議長、立委對你們海巡、岸巡非常好…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：他們很支持，報告委員這個很感謝。 |
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陳委員雪生：你們要到地方去看看縣長嘛？署長有沒有看過縣長？看過議長？都沒有啊！ |
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管主任委員碧玲：跟委員報告，我去馬祖的時候因為時間很短促，而我們單位非常的多，排完了這些單位以後，確實還來不及來拜會縣長，但是…… |
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陳委員雪生：不用拜會，縣長、議長也會去看你們，會到海巡隊去看你們。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：目前還沒有這樣的機會，不過委員撞船事件的部分，如果容許我們艦隊分署長來說明，我覺得今天我們就可以比較豁然開朗，好不好？ |
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陳委員雪生：剛才已經花了很多時間說明，影片也放過了，大家都很清楚了。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：是，謝謝。因為對中國來講這樣的定義整體下來是一個惡性的、海巡的艦艇撞擊大陸漁船，然後導致翻覆跟死亡的一個惡性的、殘暴的執法行為，整體來講，撞船這樣的一個名詞，在談判桌上的協商的過程當中，這樣的一個定義都是兩方毫無共識的部分。 |
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陳委員雪生：我很清楚。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：是，這一次沒有撞船的事情發生、這一次沒有撞船的事情發生…… |
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陳委員雪生：我去過大陸N次了，事情一發生，國台辦、福建省台辦、福州市台辦都跟我密集通電話，都在通話。也就是說這件事情怎麼善了？我告訴你一件事，你看過這個公雞跟蚱蜢在談判嗎？公雞跟蚱蜢談判你有沒有看過？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：我知道委員要說什麼。 |
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陳委員雪生：動一口就沒有了，是不是？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：可是委員，我在這裡真的要嚴正地表達。 |
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陳委員雪生：好。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：整個事情處理的過程，大家透過認知作戰，把所有的事情歸咎我個人，成為這一次整個協商過程當中的障礙。委員，如果在談判桌上…… |
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陳委員雪生：我都知道。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：若不是一條一條的障礙在那裡，怎麼會拖到現在？ |
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陳委員雪生：不是你談判，我們也談判過。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：是，每一條障礙都花了好幾天、好幾次，然後我們把這個障礙解除，又有新的障礙出來。在整個過程當中，延續到現在還沒有辦法有共識的時候，在談判桌外建構成我是障礙者。委員，這毫不公平，完全不是事實。 |
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陳委員雪生：管媽，早上蘇巧慧委員私底下跟我聊天，他去過金門，去了回來，他曉得金門、馬祖的民眾好委屈，我的委屈你知道嗎？你不要以為你委屈，署長委屈啊！邱太三主委委屈啊！我的委屈你知道嗎？對不對？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：報告委員，如果…… |
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陳委員雪生：就是大象跟螞蟻在談戀愛，是不是？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：如果我們內部……跟委員報告，我們的同仁從談判桌回來也說了他們的心聲，當他們在談判桌的時候，看到內部對我的攻擊、對事件的誤解跟對事件的扭曲，變成談判桌上對方拿出來作為談判材料的時候…… |
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陳委員雪生：我告訴你…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：他們也覺得心酸。 |
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陳委員雪生：我告訴你，我沒有參加談判，但是他們在裡面談什麼，我了然於胸。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：如果我們全國能夠一致，對外呼籲中國能夠擱置爭議，然後回歸人道，這件事情會讓哪一邊更有力量昭然若揭，會完全不一樣。 |
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陳委員雪生：主任委員，我告訴你，面對的就是武力！我看你海巡有20條還是30條，它的白船可以出動300條。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：委員…… |
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陳委員雪生：我在國防委員會質詢的時候，告訴這些中將、上將，你們哪一個人看過萬箭齊發？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：我們面對的是公理跟正義。 |
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陳委員雪生：萬箭齊發，你們看過嗎？你有沒有看過那個景象？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：我們認為這個世界是有公理跟正義的世界，我們面對的是2,300萬人民的力量、公理與正義。 |
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陳委員雪生：今天我們世界上有公平正義的話，加薩去把以色列人…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：如果我們不堅持也不會拖到現在…… |
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陳委員雪生：弄了300個人，今天死了三萬多個人…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：早就全面道歉了。 |
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陳委員雪生：還在進行，對不對？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：如果我們不堅持，如果我們不相信我們應該堅持這些價值的話，早就去道歉，早就結束啦！可是我們不能這樣做啊！ |
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陳委員雪生：我告訴你，你跟邱太三主委…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：這件事情…… |
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陳委員雪生：我們真的有一些事情要忍耐，法律的事情歸法律，今天人死為大。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：我們都是這樣的態度。 |
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陳委員雪生：人死為大也只是一個理由而已。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：我們都是這樣的態度。 |
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陳委員雪生：只是我們的尊嚴而已。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：我們一直拜到今天。 |
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陳委員雪生：用人死為大求取我們的尊嚴而已，你應該很清楚。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：我們人道的方案充滿撫慰家屬的真誠，委員，您也知道。 |
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陳委員雪生：我們對面…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：可是為什麼談不下來？ |
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陳委員雪生：馬祖的對面是誰？是我們的堂兄、堂弟、堂伯、堂叔、親戚。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：是，所以我們更希望對方用這樣的心情面對金廈海域跟馬祖海域。委員，我一直說這個善的橋樑要珍惜、要維護的時候，不是罵我而已，我們如何呼籲中國…… |
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陳委員雪生：我沒有罵你。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：整個認知作戰是這樣操作，但是中國呢？中國應該如何擱置政治，回歸人道呢？有沒有足夠的民意、聲音對對岸樣這樣呼籲？我認為高度不均衡。 |
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陳委員雪生：兩岸的互動…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：如果我們的民意能夠展現高度團結，呼籲中國趕快放棄政治，趕快回歸人道的話，今天或許就不會拖這麼久。 |
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陳委員雪生：這個問題太大了，我沒辦法回答你這個問題。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：是，可是我們必須堅持。 |
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陳委員雪生：這個問題太大了。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：為什麼到現在我沒辦法就全案道歉？我們很願意就我們應該給予家屬……因為沒有錄影帶…… |
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陳委員雪生：我在第一時間也找邱主委…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：我們讓他煎熬…… |
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陳委員雪生：我說主委，這個事情要善了，趕快處理。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：我們就是秉持這樣的善意一路下來。 |
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陳委員雪生：你找金門縣政府嘛！找陳玉珍委員嘛！他們在那邊首當其衝，找他們去談啊！ |
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管主任委員碧玲：其實委員們都幫忙很多。 |
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陳委員雪生：怎麼一下子把它拉高到海巡署署長？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：其實委員們都幫忙很多。 |
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陳委員雪生：你們跳出來，你們不需要回答問題嘛！由底下的先去答嘛！答了以後再說，是不是？你現在把事情搞到這個地步。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：委員，如果…… |
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陳委員雪生：現在海巡出去有看到「三無」的船嗎？一艘都不見了！還看到船嗎？全部躲起來啦！他們抓到的話怎麼處分？在馬祖還看到抽砂船嗎？一艘都不見了，全跑了。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：如果中國能夠在海洋秩序的管理上……其實這是雙方可以共同努力維護…… |
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陳委員雪生：我們沒辦法指揮它。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：兩岸協同執法長期以來有共同相守的相同價值跟相同的執法規則。 |
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陳委員雪生：但是你們海巡跟它所謂的執法支隊，你們底下、檯面下是有聯繫的。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：是，但是這一次…… |
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陳委員雪生：為什麼都沒有越界，都沒有越過禁限制海域？我們海巡有沒有越過？他們的船也沒有越過，為什麼？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：這一次把單獨的個案、執法事件升高到這樣的政治連結，我們真的不樂見…… |
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陳委員雪生：它的「三無」船…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：我們也認為應該要呼籲，不要用這樣的政治連結來處理。 |
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陳委員雪生：它的「三無」船也是白船，他們也在抓，不是我們在抓。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：他們的規定更嚴格。 |
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陳委員雪生：他們的船越過界了，當然我們去抓，現在在追逐的過程碰到事情，它藉這個事故嘛！所以就善了，怎麼善了？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：其實發生過，就是個案處理，但是這一次…… |
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陳委員雪生：我覺得您的…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：升高為政治是一切問題的根源。 |
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陳委員雪生：我覺得你還可以再低調一點，這是我的勸，因為我也很忍耐，我也很委屈，我希望管主委也忍耐一點，該委屈也委屈一點。今天美國的航空母艦不會5艘同時出現在金門海域，不可能的，同時出現在馬祖海域也不可能，我們的水還太淺。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：我們沒有這樣的意思。 |
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陳委員雪生：如果正面交戰的話，美國也不允許你開任何一槍一砲，對不對？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：包括這一次整個過程以來都沒有挑釁，沒有升高政治。 |
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陳委員雪生：不是蔡總統下令開就開砲，國防部長下令開……我在馬祖，我太清楚了，所以我希望這件事情低調一點，該忍耐一點就忍耐一點。邱主委…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：委員，從發生到現在，所有的專訪我全部都婉拒，唯一就是到立法院被堵麥的時候才有發言，而且都是回應媒體問題的時候所做的發言。 |
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陳委員雪生：儘量少發言，好不好？還有邱主委，我請你上台，好不好？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：委員，發言的時候回答問題，我們只是必須捍衛海巡執法的正當性。 |
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陳委員雪生：讓邱主委講講就好，因為時間快到了，召委一直在趕我下台。我知道。 |
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主席（麥委員玉珍代）：時間到，所以要請…… |
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陳委員雪生：邱主委，好不好？能夠忍耐儘量忍耐，委屈就委屈一點。 |
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邱主任委員太三：我們都密切保持聯繫。 |
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陳委員雪生：你們有點管道跟大陸談判嘛！一直這樣下去嗎？你一直這樣下去，我們金門、馬祖現在已經有一點和平區了，這樣搞的話我們又變成前線了。 |
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邱主任委員太三：對啦！ |
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陳委員雪生：我們要出去打魚，我們靠海維生，對不對？ |
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邱主任委員太三：委員當然也知道，雙方就這件事情也持續不斷的溝通，但是因為有一些基本的堅持，所以……也有已經合意的地方，但還是有不一致的地方，所以繼續溝通。 |
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陳委員雪生：你不要說我當潤滑劑，夏立言副主席跑去幫忙講個話，你們把他唱紅，有必要嗎？對不對？ |
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邱主任委員太三：委員，我們應該不會。 |
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陳委員雪生：找夏立言副主席去，能夠把這件事情善了都是好事，對不對？我們團結一致，好不好？ |
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邱主任委員太三：好。 |
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陳委員雪生：因為時間的關係，我就不講了。 |
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邱主任委員太三：謝謝委員。 |
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陳委員雪生：高金委員已經對我很不爽了，好不好？ |
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主席：謝謝陳雪生委員的質詢。 |
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陳委員雪生：你們兩位都是我的好朋友、好同事。 |
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邱主任委員太三：好，謝謝委員。 |
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陳委員雪生：我對你們沒有任何惡意，管媽，我們在那邊那麼久了，我跟你也沒有惡言相向過，還有邱太三主委，你是民進黨，我是國民黨，我們打架，從打架到後來打籃球，後來到合唱團，我們是好朋友，不需要這樣，好不好？ |
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主席：謝謝陳雪生委員。 |
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有請高金委員質詢。 |
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328 |
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委員會-11-1-15-2 |
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高金素梅 |
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傅崐萁 |
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陳雪生 |
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王美惠 |
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洪孟楷 |
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蘇巧慧 |
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李柏毅 |
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麥玉珍 |
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徐欣瑩 |
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丁學忠 |
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許宇甄 |
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張智倫 |
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黃建賓 |
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牛煦庭 |
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張宏陸 |
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黃捷 |
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吳琪銘 |
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沈伯洋 |
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羅智強 |
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賴士葆 |
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吳沛憶 |
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李坤城 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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陳冠廷 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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王鴻薇 |
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張啓楷 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請海洋委員會主任委員、大陸委員會主任委員、國防部及海軍司令部參謀長就「金門撞船案：
翻船執法過程及後續處理」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
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好,謝謝我們美麗的召委,辛苦了。是不是請我們海委會?好,也請管主委。主委,您當了4任的委員吧?立法委員?是。那我們也是老同事。邱太山主委跟我從國道代表到現在30年了。 |
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我們可以說都是老同事所以我不忍在這個地方來苛責您我只是滿遺憾的是早上我們內政委員會高精召集員用撞船、翻船的字眼引起海委會那麼強烈的一個反擊撞船不見得是錯的 |
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不見得錯了,也可能是對的啊那今天在立法院提出這樣的說明報告我們海委會可以據理說明嘛這個事件的本身大家很清楚嘛就是一個警匪的一個追逐嘛,是不是很清楚啊,不要說剛才那影片我們你看以前楊元明組長是不是,帶了槍 |
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警匪的騙子然後海巡我從當縣長一直到現在我們對海巡、艾巡的弟兄說真的非常的好我在前天跟主委電話的過程裡面我說我們縣長、議長、立委對你們海巡、艾巡他們很支持,包括委員這個很感謝你們到了地方去看看縣長嘛 |
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組長有沒有看過縣長、看過議長?人家都沒有啊。各位委員報告,我去馬祖的時候,因為時間很短促,而我們單位非常的多。排完了這些單位以後,確實還不及來拜會縣長。不用拜會,縣長、議長也會去看你們嘛。 |
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各位,剛才已經花了很多的時間說明,影片也放過了 |
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因為對中國來講這樣的定義整體下來是一個惡性的海巡的艦艇撞擊大陸漁船然後導致翻覆跟死亡的一個惡性的殘暴的執法行為 |
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那整體來講這個撞船這樣的一個名詞在談判桌上的協商的過程當中這樣的一個定義都是兩方毫無共識的部分我很清楚這一次沒有撞船的事情發生事情一發生國台辦、福建省台辦、福州市台辦跟我密集電話都在通話都在通話 |
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也就是說這件事情怎麼散了我告訴你一件事你看過公雞跟蚱蜢在談判嗎?公雞跟蚱蜢談判你有沒有看過? |
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我知道委員要說什麼可是委員我在這裡真的要嚴正的表達整個事情處理的過程大家在透過認知作戰把所有的歸咎於我個人成為這一次整個協商過程當中的障礙委員如果在談判桌上不是一條一條的障礙在那裡怎麼會拖到現在是 |
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每一條的障礙都花了每一條的障礙都花了好幾天好幾次然後我們把這個障礙解除又有新的障礙出來在這樣的一個整個的過程當中延續到現在還沒有辦法有共識的時候在談判桌外建構成說我是障礙者委員毫不公平完全不是事實寡媽早上小會委員蘇小會委員私底下跟我聊天 |
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他去過金門,去了回來,他曉得金門馬祖的民眾好委屈喔!我的委屈你知道嗎?你不要以為你委屈欸!署長委屈啊!邱太三主委委屈啊!我的委屈你知道嗎?委員! |
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報告委員．如果我們內部跟委員報告我們的同仁從談判桌上回來也說了他們的心聲當他們在談判桌上的時候看到內部對我的攻擊對事件的誤解跟對事件的扭曲變成談判桌上對方拿出來作為談判的材料的時候 |
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主任委員我告訴你面對的就是武力面對的就是武力 |
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我看你海巡你有20條還是有30條它的白船可以出動300條我所以在國防委員會質詢的時候我告訴這些東洋上將啊你們哪一個人看過萬箭齊發你們看過嗎我們認為這個世界是有公理跟正義的世界我們面對的是2300萬人民的力量跟公理與正義今天加薩 |
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今天法律的事情歸法律 |
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我們人道的方案充滿了我們對家屬撫慰的真誠委員您也知道 |
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我們對面馬祖的對面是誰啊?是我們唐宗唐帝的唐都啊!唐屬啊!親親啊!委員,善的橋樑我一直說這個善的橋樑要珍惜要維護的時候不是罵我而已我們永遠的恢復中國 |
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我認為是高度的不均衡。 |
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這個問題太大了我沒辦法回答你這個問題 |
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可是我們必須堅持的問題為什麼到現在我沒辦法去就全案做道歉我們很願意就我們應該要給予家屬就因為沒有錄影帶的部分我們讓他監管我說主委這個事情要善了趕快處理 |
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我們就是秉持這樣的善意一路下來其實委員們都幫忙很多你們不需要去回答問題嘛有底下的先去打嘛,打了以後再說嘛是不是?你現在把事情講到這個地步你們現在海軍出去有看到桑文的船嗎? |
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一艘都不見了還看到船嗎全部躲起來了 |
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如果中國能夠在海洋的管理海洋秩序的管理上面其實這是雙方可以共同努力來維護我們的兩岸協同的執法長期以來有共同相守的相同的價值跟相同的執法的規則 |
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執法自對你們底下檯面下是有聯繫的啊為什麼都沒有越界呢都沒有越過禁縣制海域我們海巡有沒有越過他們的船也沒越過啊為什麼 |
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所以這一次把這樣的一個單獨的個案執法的事件升高到這樣的政治的連結我們真的是不樂見我們也覺得我們也認為應該要呼籲不要用這樣的政治的連結來處理他們也在抓不是我們在抓他們也抓那我是說他們的船越過界了越過界了當然我們去抓在追逐的過程在追逐的過程碰到事情了現在 |
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其實發生過,其實發生過,就是個案處理。但是這一次升高為政治是一切問題的根源。我跟你講話,我覺得你還可以再低調一點。我的勸,因為我也很忍耐,我也很委屈。我希望管主委,你也忍耐一點,你該委屈也委屈一點。 |
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今天美國的航空母艦不會五艘同時出現在金門的海域不可能的同時出現在馬祖的海域也不可能的啦我們水還太淺我們沒有那樣的意思所以如果說正面要交戰的話美國也不允許你開任何一槍一砲包括這一次整個過程以來都沒有挑釁沒有升高政治國防部長夏令開我太清楚了我在馬祖我太清楚了所以我希望就是說 |
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這件事情 |
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委員,從發生到現在所有的專訪我全部都婉拒。唯一就是到立法院來被堵麥的時候我才有發言。而這些發言都是回應媒體的問題的時候所做的發言。委員,發言的時候回答問題,我們只是必須要捍衛海巡執法的正當性而所為。因為時間快到了,我們抓委一直在趕我下來。 |
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我們時間到所以要請謝謝委員好不好,能夠忍耐盡量的委員我想我們都密切保持你們有點管道跟大陸談判嘛,一直這樣下去嗎?你一直這樣下去我們金門撞船現在已經有點和平區了欸這樣搞的話又變成前線了我們又變成前線了我們要出去打魚,我們靠海為生欸 |
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所以我想委員大概知道雙方大概就這件事情也持續的都不斷的在溝通但是因為有一些基本的堅持所以呢有已經合意的地方但是有還是不一致的地方所以繼續溝通啦你不要說我當論法機夏立言副主席跑去幫忙講個話黑的嗎你們把他唱紅有必要嗎是不是 |
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董事長的下禮言、副主席去,能夠去把這些事情散了,都是好事我們團結一致嘛,好不好,我想因為時間的關係我就不講了那個高金委員對我已經很不爽了好不好謝謝我們陳雪生委員的支持你們兩位都是我的好朋友、好同事我對你們沒有任何的惡意,管吧我們在這邊那麼久了,我跟你有沒有惡言相向過 |
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還有邱太陽主委你是民運黨我是國民黨我們打架從打架到後來打籃球後來到合唱團我們好朋友 |