| IVOD_ID |
149263 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149263 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-26-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-04T12:14:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-04T12:21:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ad9f873b941d2dddbc17547c4d5abcc7f012038cf3c9e62ff8ba9b0039caa7a641895e42dd71fd715ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:14:25 - 12:21:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院食品安全辦公室、衛生福利部部長、食品藥物管理署就「食安五環執行狀況及蘇丹紅事件處理之檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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陳委員雪生：（12時14分）謝謝主席，請薛部長。 |
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主席：請部長。 |
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薛部長瑞元：委員。 |
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陳委員雪生：部長午安。我就接續上禮拜五總質詢的時候質詢到的，部裡面是不是要把馬祖縣立醫院改為部立醫院？有沒有這回事？我非常嚴重……不！是非常嚴肅地請教部長。 |
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薛部長瑞元：在這部分，我們其實有向地方政府詢問過他們的意願，他們是…… |
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陳委員雪生：地方政府的誰？是誰跟誰對口、接口？ |
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薛部長瑞元：我們主要接觸的人是在醫福會。 |
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陳委員雪生：我再次查證，縣長沒有、副縣長沒有、衛生局沒有、縣立醫院院長沒有，你是跟哪個科員還是哪個工友對口？ |
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薛部長瑞元：這部分的話，我再確認一下。 |
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陳委員雪生：好。 |
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有個廣告，是民進黨連江縣黨部主任委員李問說他去見過王必勝次長，王次長答應他，馬祖的連江縣立醫院將改為部立醫院。部長，我向你求證有沒有這回事？ |
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薛部長瑞元：沒有，至少我…… |
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陳委員雪生：次長有事要不要跟你報告？ |
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薛部長瑞元：至少我這邊沒有接收到這個訊息。 |
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陳委員雪生：縣立醫院改為部立醫院是政策喔！這不是事務性的事情喔！ |
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薛部長瑞元：對。 |
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陳委員雪生：次長沒有這個權限吧？ |
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薛部長瑞元：如果真的有這樣的政策，應該是會到我這邊來，由我來做決定。 |
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陳委員雪生：這一定是經過部裡面的署去研議嘛！ |
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薛部長瑞元：對。 |
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陳委員雪生：研議包含很多事情在裡面喔！有人事、經費、土地面積、任免遷調，是不是？ |
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薛部長瑞元：對。 |
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陳委員雪生：還有裡面的設備。 |
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薛部長瑞元：許多東西都必須處理。 |
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陳委員雪生：牽涉很廣，研究好以後才由署裡向次長、部長報告。部長可能還沒那個權喔！ |
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薛部長瑞元：部長可能都還需要報告到行政院，因為關於人力、關於預算。 |
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陳委員雪生：還有財政部、還有行政院主計總處、還有行政院人事總處，部長，是不是這樣？ |
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薛部長瑞元：是。 |
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陳委員雪生：所以我今天向你求證，沒有這件事情嘛！ |
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薛部長瑞元：目前還沒有討論到這個。 |
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陳委員雪生：那有沒有可能？如果有的話更好啊？如果連江縣立醫院能夠成為部立醫院的話，不管如何，有心臟內科、心臟外科、神經內科、神經外科，土地面積就會由原來的軍醫院變得跟金門一樣。金門縣在花崗石醫院與金門縣立醫院合併以後，金門縣立醫院可以改為衛生所啊！是不是？然後可以跟榮民總醫院合嘛！你們的部立醫院有醫生可以派駐嘛！ |
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薛部長瑞元：所以這部分其實牽涉滿廣的，沒有辦法像這樣沒經過很詳細的評估就決定。 |
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陳委員雪生：澎湖也一樣嘛！是不是？尤其前兩任縣長都是醫學院出來的。都是醫學院出來的喔！他們也是搞公衛的，是陳建仁院長的學生，院長是他們研究所的指導教授嘛！都很清楚嘛！馬祖人口有一萬多人，金門10萬人，澎湖15萬人，因為牽涉的人口、土地面積都不一樣。裡面的結構已經行之有年，卻由一個人不在馬祖、心不在馬祖、戶口在馬祖的人好像藉著執政黨的資源、執政黨的優勢在亂，不好吧！那時候因為在選舉期間，我沒有去向衛福部求證這件事，所以今天藉這個機會提出。我這個人也是很大量的人，不是那麼小氣，是不是？我沒那麼小氣啊！而且對於從事醫療服務，雖然我不是醫生，但我協助很多病人，尤其是病人從馬祖那麼遠的地方來這邊，我都給予相當的協助。我不是醫生，但是我對醫療的需求是非常清楚的。所以謝謝部長，我在這邊向你求證。 |
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不過若有機會，希望能夠讓馬祖的醫院成為部立醫院、縣立醫院變成衛生所，然後把我們的軍醫院擴大變成部立醫院，能夠跟金門一樣，因為以他們的訴求，像是金門成立部立醫院以後，那邊的病人不用後送到臺灣來。但據我了解，每個月透過C-130飛機、用擔架送過來的有四十幾個人，也不是成立部立醫院以後，在金門做外科手術就好了。 |
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薛部長瑞元：不完整。 |
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陳委員雪生：一樣要送來臺灣做外科手術啊！因為外科手術需要很多橫向、互相的醫療資源嘛，部長，是不是這樣？ |
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薛部長瑞元：是。 |
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陳委員雪生：不是說單一力量可以完成的，再有名的醫生到了金門、澎湖，若沒有心臟科、麻醉科等協力的醫生等等協助他，他一樣無法完成重大的手術。部長，是不是這樣子？ |
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薛部長瑞元：是，沒有錯。 |
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陳委員雪生：那我想部長回去之後有機會的話，如果馬祖能夠成立部立醫院，我也希望部長能夠成全。 |
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薛部長瑞元：還是要評估啦！ |
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陳委員雪生：是的，因為現在縣立醫院要很多的經費，我們地方政府要出錢，那你也曉得我們地方政府的財力大概跟澎湖差不多，金門因為有酒可以賣，賺了一點錢，所以我要謝謝部長過去對我們馬祖醫療的資源跟協助，還有補助我們一些醫療的設備，我想部長在這一個方面能夠允諾我，繼續給馬祖這方面醫療的資源，好不好？ |
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薛部長瑞元：這部分的話我們一定是盡量來支持。 |
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陳委員雪生：謝謝部長，也謝謝部裡面的長官，也謝謝主席，謝謝。 |
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薛部長瑞元：好，謝謝。 |
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主席：我們謝謝陳雪生委員關心馬祖地區的醫療問題。 |
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接下來我們請洪孟楷委員進行質詢。 |
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邀請行政院食品安全辦公室、衛生福利部部長、食品藥物管理署就「食安五環執行狀況及蘇丹紅
事件處理之檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
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好,謝謝主席。是不是請薛部長?好,我們請部長。部長午安。我就接續上個禮拜五總諮詢的時候,這個諮詢到部裡面是不是要把馬祖縣的醫院改為部立醫院? |
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有沒有這回事,我非常嚴重,不是,非常嚴肅的請教部長。這個部分的話,我們其實有跟地方政府那邊詢問過他們的意願。跟地方政府的誰?是誰跟誰對口、接口? |
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因為我們主要可能是去接觸的人是在衣服會我再次查證,縣長沒有、副縣長沒有、衛生局沒有、縣立院院長沒有你是跟哪個科研還是跟哪個公友在對抗我這部分我再確認一下有個廣告,是民進黨聯鄉縣黨部主任委員李問 |
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他說他去見過王必勝次長王次長答應他馬祖連江縣立醫院改為部立醫院部長我向你求證有沒有這回事沒有至少我這邊沒有接收到這個訊息縣立醫院改為部立醫院這是政策喔 |
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這不是事務性的事情市長沒有這個權限嗎?應該如果真的有這樣的政策,應該是會到我這邊來,由我來做決定這個一定是經過部裡面的署去研議嘛研議很多事情在裡面喔這裡人事、經費、土地、面積、認免、簽調是不是?還有裡面的設備簽設很廣 |
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那麼研究好以後由署裡面 |
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然後次長跟部長報告,部長可能還沒那個權喔還需要報告到行政院有關於生意有關於預算還有財政部還有行政院主計處還有行政院人事總署部長是不是這樣?是所以我今天向你求證,沒有這個事情嗎?目前還沒有討論到這個事情那有沒有可能?如果有的話更好啊如果連江縣立議院能夠成為部立議院的話不管如何 |
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心臟內科、心臟外科、神經內科、神經外科那這裡面土地的面積由原來的軍醫院就跟金門一樣金門縣在花崗石醫院跟金門縣合併以後金門縣的醫院可以改為衛生所啊是不是?然後他可以跟農民總醫院去合嘛,你們部立醫院有醫生可以派出嘛 |
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所以說這個部分其實是牽涉是蠻廣的啦所以沒有辦法這樣子沒有經過很詳細的評估同意也是一樣嘛是不是尤其我們前兩任的縣長都是醫學院出來的都醫學院出來的喔他們也是搞公衛的啊也是陳建仁院長的學生指導教授研究所的指導教授 |
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都很清楚嘛馬祖人口一萬多人,金門十萬人,澎湖十五萬人因為他現在的人口土地面積都不一樣嘛是不是所以他這裡面的結構已經行之有年了那麼卻由一個人不在馬祖心不在馬祖戶口在馬祖的人在那邊很像說這是我執政黨的資源我執政黨的優勢然後在那邊亂 |
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不好吧所以那時候因為在選舉期間我也沒有去向衛福部去求證這個事情所以今天藉這個機會因為我這個人也是 |
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很大量的人我不是那麼小氣我沒有那麼小氣而且從事醫療的服務我不是醫生但是我協助很多的病人馬祖尤其那麼遠的地方來這邊我都可以相當的協助我不是醫生但是我對 |
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醫療的需求我是非常清楚的我是非常清楚的所以謝謝部長在這邊我向你求證不過有機會能夠把馬祖成為部立醫院我們的縣立醫院變成衛生所然後把我們的軍醫院能夠擴大變成部立醫院能夠跟金門一樣 |
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因為他們的訴求是講說像金門你看成立部立醫院以後那邊的病人不要後送到台灣來據我瞭解每個月西腰山洞的飛機用單架送過來的40幾個人40幾個人也不是說成立部立醫院以後就在金門做外科手術就好了 |
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一樣送來台灣做外科手術啊因為這個外科手術要很多橫向的互相的醫療的支援嘛部長是不是這樣不是說單一力量可以完成的你再有名的醫生到了金門到了澎湖你沒有他的協力醫院協力的醫生來協力麻醉科啊等等心臟科啊這些等等沒有協助他他一樣無法完成重大的手術嘛 |
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部長是不是這樣子?是,沒有錯。那我想部長是不是有機會回去?有機會的話,如果馬祖能夠成立部立醫院,我也希望部長能夠成全。還是要評估啦。是的,因為現在縣立醫院很多的經費, |
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我們地方政府要出錢那我們的地方政府你曉得大概跟澎湖的財力差不多基本上因為有酒可以賣賺了一點錢我所以謝謝部長過去對我們馬祖醫療的支援跟協助還補助我們一些醫療的設備我想部長在這一個方面能夠允諾我繼續給馬祖這方面醫療的支援好不好好 |
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這部分的話,我們一定是盡量來支持,這一次要改成部議院再要進入部部長也謝謝署裡面的長官,部裡面的長官也謝謝主席 |