| IVOD_ID |
149222 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149222 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-26-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-04T10:45:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-04T10:57:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ad9f873b941d2ddda8e5f4c730d316d9f012038cf3c9e62ff8ba9b0039caa7a6cb86a12d45e21ec65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:45:21 - 10:57:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院食品安全辦公室、衛生福利部部長、食品藥物管理署就「食安五環執行狀況及蘇丹紅事件處理之檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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蘇委員清泉：（10時45分）謝謝主席，我請部長跟署長。 |
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主席：好，部長、署長請。 |
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薛部長瑞元：委員好。 |
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蘇委員清泉：部長，辛苦了，到現在聲音還沙啞，做醫生做到實在很難受。今天講很多了，所以我就問重點，進口了十幾萬公斤的蘇丹紅，然後這些東西是應該…… |
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薛部長瑞元：是辣椒粉啦！不是蘇丹紅，蘇丹紅沒有進口那麼多。 |
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蘇委員清泉：然後這個東西應該是工業用，做油漆、做地毯、做一些工業染料的，怎麼會跑到食品來？ |
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薛部長瑞元：目前這個案子，添加進去是在大陸那邊就已經添加了，並不是進口蘇丹紅跟辣椒粉到國內後再去摻雜的。 |
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蘇委員清泉：我查了一下，歐盟跟美國都不能用在食品添加物裡，中國大陸以前還有在用，但是現在也禁止了，對不對？ |
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薛部長瑞元：在他們那邊，理論上也是非法。 |
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蘇委員清泉：也是禁止的。而我們臺灣食藥署是美國、歐盟如果有禁止，我們也會跟著禁止，但是我們的查核沒有到位，所以今天的食安報告是部長你唸的嘛！那個你有看過嗎？你都認可嘛！我看第5頁的倒數第二行說是中央跟地方積極查辦，結果我看是雲林那邊查出來的。 |
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我現在要說的重點是，中央訂了一大堆這個不能進口、那個不能進口，像那個乙型受體劑、瘦肉精也是這樣，但是我們的查核是有問題的。這個蘇丹紅的進口是貿易商進口的嘛！然後再分給工廠，工廠再去分裝，或者是再加工，然後再到剛剛部長講的，再到二級、再到三級，然後就開花了，也不知道要怎麼查。它進來是當作工業用還是當食品用？它一進來，他也搞不清楚。 |
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薛部長瑞元：蘇丹紅是另外一件事情，它進來的一定是工業用的，但是我們現在是查辣椒粉裡面摻有蘇丹紅，摻的時間點是在中國就已經摻好了，然後再進來…… |
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蘇委員清泉：就是辣椒粉。 |
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薛部長瑞元：所以我們在邊境要擋就是擋這一個。 |
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蘇委員清泉：像我們的蝦味先、海底撈、什麼鹹鴨蛋…… |
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薛部長瑞元：就是因為當時一開始，我們對這些產品不是100%的抽批檢驗，所以就會有漏網之魚，你如果要50%的話，另外那50%我們沒有抽到的，裡面就有可能會有這種漏網之魚。 |
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蘇委員清泉：所以這個案件是人家檢舉的嗎？ |
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薛部長瑞元：那是在雲林那邊被人檢舉的，但是我們的邊境也一直在升高抽批的比例。 |
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蘇委員清泉：是逐件查驗，還是抽驗？ |
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薛部長瑞元：當然一開始都是抽的啦！直到12月的時候才100%逐批查驗。 |
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蘇委員清泉：那這個抽驗是海關做，還是食藥署做？ |
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薛部長瑞元：我們做。 |
| gazette.blocks[21][0] |
蘇委員清泉：食藥署做？ |
| gazette.blocks[22][0] |
薛部長瑞元：對。 |
| gazette.blocks[23][0] |
蘇委員清泉：食藥署本身有人力配置在那裡嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[24][0] |
薛部長瑞元：對。 |
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蘇委員清泉：我看你們的預算今年比去年少，人也愈來愈少…… |
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薛部長瑞元：希望委員支持。 |
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蘇委員清泉：剛剛我們王育敏委員說，這下死了！要招21個剩1個，薪水又低、壓力又大，然後又沒有成就感，這誰會幹啊！所以你們會怎麼處理啊？不然這個問題以後會層出不窮。 |
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薛部長瑞元：這個我們會爭取啦！希望在今年下半年審預算的時候，委員能夠支持，我們能夠把這一部分的預算…… |
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蘇委員清泉：我們是在野黨，我們也支持啦！我們會全力支持。這個太可怕了！所以這個漏洞，食藥署將來是要怎麼填補？ |
| gazette.blocks[30][0] |
薛部長瑞元：目前來講，我們是考慮要把這些所謂高風險的物質把它標示出來，以後這個部分，一發現有違規，不應該出現的東西，它出現了，我們就變成這一類的產品100%抽驗。 |
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蘇委員清泉：據部長所知，這種工業用的染料之類的，有可能會危害到食品或加到食品裡面，我現在有個疑問是，我們到底是吃多久了？我看是從小時候吃到現在，沒死也算不錯了。 |
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薛部長瑞元：沒有啦！ |
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蘇委員清泉：沒死就不錯了，坐在這裡的大家都擔心得要死。 |
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薛部長瑞元：在前年之前，事實上我們在邊境並沒有檢驗出來有這個…… |
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蘇委員清泉：我們石門那邊的鹹鴨蛋，就是車城再進去的石門鹹鴨蛋都是雙蛋黃的、紅通通的，我就想說那些都是蘇丹紅，死定了我！ |
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薛部長瑞元：鹹鴨蛋過去曾經有一件的確是摻蘇丹紅，好像是在106年時；現在抽驗的鹹鴨蛋就已經沒有了，可以儘量吃。 |
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蘇委員清泉：好。營養午餐有200萬個孩子在吃，如果有流到學校去，這個要很小心喔！會不會？ |
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薛部長瑞元：當然，我們現在是循線在查當中啦！ |
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蘇委員清泉：那我問，這次你講的這個東西進口，一進來的廠商到底是幾家？貿易商到底是幾家再分出去？ |
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薛部長瑞元：目前貿易商進口這些違規的、摻有蘇丹紅辣椒粉的廠商大概有4家啦！ |
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蘇委員清泉：4家？ |
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薛部長瑞元：對。 |
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蘇委員清泉：所以都有show出來了嘛！你看，預算那麼少，才一千八百多萬，這樣是要做什麼？這樣有辦法做什麼嗎？部長，這也太誇張了吧！ |
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薛部長瑞元：對啊！所以，我們要更認真地爭取。 |
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蘇委員清泉：一定要挺你們的啦！ |
| gazette.blocks[45][1] |
這個食安五環、源頭管理，我看你們也沒有能力到大陸去查廠，這個要怎麼來做？ |
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薛部長瑞元：所以現在的做法就是，一查到有違規添加蘇丹紅的我們就禁止。 |
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蘇委員清泉：所以你是在第二關這裡…… |
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薛部長瑞元：對。 |
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蘇委員清泉：第二關或第三關這邊來查嘛！ |
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薛部長瑞元：也算源頭啦！ |
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蘇委員清泉：這也算源頭嘛！ |
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薛部長瑞元：邊境如果有查到，我們就禁止它進來。 |
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蘇委員清泉：再來我要問乙型受體劑。我們現在的乙型受體劑，也就是瘦肉精總共有的講17種，有的講21種。 |
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薛部長瑞元：21種。 |
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蘇委員清泉：21種嘛！ |
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薛部長瑞元：現在驗的有21種。 |
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蘇委員清泉：我們自己驗的，就是你們食藥署在驗的只有萊克多巴胺嗎？ |
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薛部長瑞元：不是，那21種都驗。 |
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蘇委員清泉：你們有panel，整個都驗嗎？ |
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薛部長瑞元：對。 |
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蘇委員清泉：這次的…… |
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薛部長瑞元：西布特羅。 |
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蘇委員清泉：西布特羅（Cimbuterol）這一個是…… |
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薛部長瑞元：是其中之一。 |
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蘇委員清泉：有查嗎？進口的豬肉，你們有查嗎？ |
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薛部長瑞元：有啊！在驗的時候，我們都是一起驗的。 |
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蘇委員清泉：台糖這一次，我這次有跑到……再給我兩分鐘啦！主席。 |
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我有跑到信功肉品，台糖的豬就是他們幫忙宰、幫忙包裝的，他們的楊老闆跟我講說，台糖給他宰的豬都一定是他們自己養的，他非常有信心，台糖的品牌也夠。因為台糖本身的什麼豚？ |
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薛部長瑞元：安心豚。 |
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蘇委員清泉：安心豚賣得非常好，還供不應求，所以在我看來，他們是強烈地質疑，一定是拿到外面的肉混合著一起分切賣出的，然後外面的肉有被污染到，或是外國有用西布特羅，像加拿大有、澳大利亞有、美國也有…… |
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薛部長瑞元：沒有，全世界都有用瘦肉精的，都沒有在用西布特羅。 |
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蘇委員清泉：西布特羅以前醫界也在用，被當作減肥藥啊！只要量控制得好，增加代謝、甲狀腺亢奮、心血管……像我們心臟外科，心血管讓它加強，真的每一個吃起來都很棒耶，身材都很棒，都沒有油花耶！ |
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薛部長瑞元：那應該不是西布特羅吧，那應該是其他的瘦體素啦！西布特羅還沒有聽過耶！ |
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蘇委員清泉：所以我在想說，台糖那一批就只驗到那一份，其他同一批的，就像部長一直講同一批次的沒有驗到。當然是沒有驗到，全部都吃掉了，全都吃進肚子裡了。 |
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薛部長瑞元：沒啦！ |
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蘇委員清泉：不管你再抽其他的，就算再抽個七、八百件，也抽不到。 |
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薛部長瑞元：沒啦！同批的我還有…… |
| gazette.blocks[77][0] |
蘇委員清泉：同批的還有啊？ |
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薛部長瑞元：對，同批的有找到，但是驗不到啦！ |
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蘇委員清泉：是驗不到啊！不是都吃下去了？ |
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薛部長瑞元：沒啦！事後我們在追的時候還是有。 |
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蘇委員清泉：最後要講一個有關百香果，這個太重要了。兩天前我們整個屏東萬巒鄉、內埔鄉種百香果的都整個崩盤了，因為有一個營養師在康健雜誌使用了110年農委會的data，然後就說百香果的農藥殘餘量是第一名，第二名是西瓜。我們臺灣百香果產量最高的在南投，屏東差不多占了三、四成，屏東那邊都是用檳榔砍掉轉作的，所以是在配合政府政策，全部都用網室的，根本沒有在灑農藥，你看，那麼漂亮！這下被你們一搞全部崩盤，那些農民每個都想跳樓了。 |
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我在這邊要請食藥署看要怎麼幫忙他們，看是否要澄清一下，我到那邊才兩天前，這個很重要喔！不然這個也出事，那個也出事，他們已經非常痛苦了，整個全都停下來了，我也找新北果菜公司等等趕快幫他們銷售，找200萬個小孩要吃營養午餐的，請他們來幫忙。部長和署長，有辦法幫忙他們一下嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[82][0] |
薛部長瑞元：因為現在要分工，在市場前是農業部處理，所以如果我們要幫忙，就只有在市場後，也就是後市場的部分，後市場部分的話，我們可以想想看有沒有什麼方法，比方說，可能有一些查驗再度去驗看看…… |
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蘇委員清泉：我是建議他去告這個營養師，幫他更正啦！所以署長這邊如果可以的話幫他們說話，這個比較重要，不然會很慘。好，謝謝。 |
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薛部長瑞元：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝蘇清泉委員的質詢。 |
| gazette.blocks[85][1] |
接下來我們請盧縣一委員進行質詢。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
296 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-1-26-2 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
王育敏 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
陳昭姿 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
陳菁徽 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
廖偉翔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
林月琴 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
涂權吉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
邱鎮軍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
黃秀芳 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
蘇清泉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
盧縣一 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
劉建國 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
王正旭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
楊曜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
林淑芬 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
陳雪生 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
謝衣鳯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
陳瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
黃國昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
林德福 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
209 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-03-04 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1130601 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1130601_00009 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請行政院食品安全辦公室、衛生福利部部長、食品藥物管理署就「食安五環執行狀況及蘇丹紅
事件處理之檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
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進行質詢。來,謝謝主席。我請部長跟署長。好,部長、署長請。委員好。部長辛苦了。到現在還聲音還沙啞了。做醫生做得很辛苦。 |
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今天講很多了 所以重點 我就問重點進口了十幾萬公斤的蘇丹紅然後這些東西是應該 那不是塑膠粉啦 不是蘇丹紅蘇丹紅沒有進口那麼多然後這個東西應該是工業用做油漆、做底碳、做一些工業燃料那怎麼會跑到食品來 |
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目前這個案子添加進去是在大陸那邊就已經添加了並不是進口蘇丹紅跟辣椒粉在國內再去粉再去參雜的我查一下歐盟跟美國都不能用嘛都不能用在食品添加那中國大陸以前還有在用但是現在也禁止了也禁止了對不對他們在他們那邊理論上也是非法 |
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也是禁止。我們台灣食藥署是美國、歐盟禁止,我們就直接禁止。但是我們的茶盒沒有到位。所以你今天的食安報告是部長你唸的,你有看過,你都認可。 |
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那你第5頁我看第5頁的倒數第二行說是中央跟地方積極查辦結果我看那是分裡面查出來我現在要講的重點就是說中央訂了一大堆然後不能進口這個不能進口像那個那個那個乙型受體劑也是這樣但是我們的查核是有問題那現在到底 |
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這個蘇丹紅進口的是無藥生、無藥生進口嘛,然後再分給工廠,工廠再去分裝,或者是再加工,然後再到二級,剛剛部長講的,再到二級,再到三級,就開火了,也不知道要怎麼炒。那進來是當作工業用,還是當食品用,他一進來,他也搞不清楚。 |
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蘇丹紅是另外一件事情,它進來的一定是工業用的但是我們現在是查辣椒粉,裡面摻有蘇丹紅它摻的這個時間點是在中國就已經摻好了然後再進來所以在邊境要去擋是擋這一個那我們像什麼夏威夷啦、海底撈啦、什麼鹹鴨蛋啦 |
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那就是因為那些東西不是說一開始我們對這個產品就都是百分之百的一個抽屁檢驗嘛所以就會有漏網之魚你如果百分之五十的話那另外那百分之五十我們沒有抽到的裡面就有可能會有這種漏網之魚所以這個案件是人檢記的 |
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一直逐漸查驗還是抽驗 |
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那這個抽驗是海關做還是我們食藥署做那食藥署本身有人力配置在那裡我看你們的預算都今年比去年少 |
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人也越來越少,剛剛我們王衛明委員說他死了20天就剩一個,死了20天薪水又低,壓力又大,然後又沒有成就感這誰會幹啊,所以你們要怎麼處理啊,不然這個以後層出不窮啊 |
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所以我們會爭取,那應該希望就是說在今年下半年審預算的時候,那委員能夠支持我們能夠把這一部分的預算...我們是在野黨,我們也支持,我們也全力支持,這個太可怕了所以這個漏洞,你將來是要怎麼來填補? |
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目前來講的話我們是考慮說要把這些所謂的高風險的物質把它標示出來以後的這一個部分的話一發現有違規可能我們就不應該出現的東西它出現了那我們就變成這一類的產品100%的抽菸 |
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據部長所知,這種用工業的染料之類的,然後有可能會危害到食品或加到食品裡面。我現在跟您解釋,到底我們是吃多久了?我看他餵小孩吃到盡,沒死就算不錯了。沒死就不錯了,我坐在這裡大家都要翻垃圾。 |
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在前年之前的話,事實上我們在邊境並沒有檢驗出來,所以有這個來。因為我們金馬農的酒門,車程在經濟十面的金馬農都鄉親的,我會說那些都是蘇丹紅,我死了。金馬農過去曾經有一件, |
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有一件事的確是參蘇丹紅,那好像是106年來,現在再抽鹹肉兩隻,鹹的都沒有了。營養午餐有兩百萬的孩子在吃。 |
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一進來的廠商到底是幾家?貿易商到底幾家再分出去? |
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目前貿易商進口這些違規的餐油這一個蘇丹紅的這一個大家粉的大概有四家啦四家所以都有秀出來了嘛你看預算那麼少你看一千八百多萬你是要做什麼做狗的這我都做什麼部長這太含了 |
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這個食安五環就沿途管理我看你們也沒有能力到大陸去查場那這個要怎麼來做 |
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對阿所以現在的做法就是說一查到有違規的添加蘇丹紅我們就禁止所以你是在第二關這裡對第二關或第三關這邊來查嗎對好也算源頭啦這也算源頭啦邊境如果查到了我們就禁止他進口啦好再來我要問那個 |
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我們現在那個乙型瘦體劑就瘦肉菌總共有有的講17種有的21種21種21種嘛吼現在驗了21種啊咱自己驗的咱只要是你驗的咱來檢查來課多少 |
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主席 |
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我跑到信公就是肉品台糖的豬就他他們幫他幫他找幫他宰幫他包裝這個楊老闆跟我講說一定是他台糖給他宰的豬都是都是他們自己養的他很有信心台糖的嘛品牌會夠因為台糖本身這個這個肉什麼豚豚豚 |
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安心屯 安心屯 那個賣得很好啊 這賣得不夠所以我看他是強烈的質疑啦 一定是去外面的馬來南南做一個切切賣賣處理那些外面的馬來有去污染到 或是說外國用西部吐露的 加拿大也有 澳大利亞也有 美國也有 |
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全世界都有用瘦二肩的都沒有用西部特羅西部特羅在醫界以前也在用當作減肥藥只要量控制得好增加代謝、甲狀腺、坑糞、心血管像我們心臟胃科心血管讓它加強那個真的每一個吃起來都很棒身材都很棒都沒有油花那是西部特羅那應該是其他的以前受體術西部特羅還沒聽過 |
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所以我在想說臺堂那一批就驗到那一份那其他那一同一批部長就是說同一批次的沒有驗到那當然沒有驗到全部都吃掉了吃到肚子餓了你又抽其他的抽到700多件都抽到沒有沒有啦港肥我有啦港肥有喔港肥有吹到啦鹽我沒有啦 |
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兩天前,我們整個屏東、萬鸞鄉、內埔鄉建百香果的富庸崩盤。 |
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因為有一個營養書、康健雜誌轉給你用110年,我們農委會的data就說百香果的農藥產育量第一名、第二名、四個結果台灣百香果的產量最多是南投 |
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才兩天前,這個很重要,這個也出事,那個也出事,他們已經非常痛苦,整個全部都凍掉。那我也找新北火災公司等等,金桿到銷,找那個兩百萬個小孩子要吃營養午餐的幫忙,請他們來幫忙。那這個部長跟署長,我也幫忙一下。 |
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我是建議他去告這個營養師,把他更正 |
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蘇清泉委員 |