| IVOD_ID |
149099 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149099 |
| 日期 |
2023-09-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-10-8-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第10屆第8會期第1次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
10 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
8 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第10屆第8會期第1次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2023-09-22T11:21:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2023-09-22T11:37:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/20dc639cdbf6214f8ce8073ec5a2d3ed659e523f497a2948f8ba9b0039caa7a61a8b0863b4c8fed05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:21:21 - 11:37:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2023-09-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第10屆第8會期第1次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出有關農業部辦理專案進口雞蛋相關事項專案報告並備質詢。（9月22日）
二、行政院院長提出登革熱防治相關事宜專案報告並備質詢。（9月23日）
三、行政院院長施政報告並備質詢。（9月26日）
四、9月22日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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王委員鴻薇：（11時21分）好，謝謝主席。先有請陳建仁陳院長。 |
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主席：陳院長請。 |
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陳院長建仁：王委員好。 |
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王委員鴻薇：院長好。院長，今天的專案報告真的是因為我們現在雞蛋，大家都知道雞蛋在臺灣從小孩到長者是每天必須食用，幾乎每個人都會吃的重要食物。 |
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陳院長建仁：每天幾乎1顆。 |
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王委員鴻薇：每人幾乎1顆，有的人還吃到2、3顆。更不要說，我手上的是滷蛋，可能很多人午餐在滷肉飯加1顆滷蛋，對不對？ |
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陳院長建仁：是。 |
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王委員鴻薇：或在我們孩子的營養午餐裡面也會有滷蛋。我手上這個是這一次也捲入整個雞蛋食安風暴裡面的義美蜂蜜蛋糕、長型蛋糕，因為它用了相關的進口雞蛋。 |
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陳院長建仁：對。 |
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王委員鴻薇：所以這次也造成了風暴，更不要說現在相關的風暴還在擴大之中。所以…… |
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陳院長建仁：義美的這個部分它有對外說明。 |
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王委員鴻薇：這個我知道它有說明，我要講的是，所以今天為什麼希望一開始就請院長要跟國人來道歉，不是跟我們立法委員道歉，而是要跟國人道歉，因為這次的風暴實在是扯淡，真的太扯淡了，太多的問題！ |
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對不起，時間暫停一下，我還沒有請你。 |
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院長，我們都知道，這一次在我們的質詢報告之前，結果我們的陳吉仲部長提前下台請辭，剛才我也注意到黃國書委員有詢問你，你在9月17號慰留他，認為他應該有責任來釐清相關的問題，但是又火速的在19號就讓他請辭，這裡面我們認為充滿了太多的政治算計。尤其今天立法院的專案報告，他卻在之前溜之大吉，其實是非常惡劣的行為，所以現在變成一個代理部長，甚至院長自己要親自站到第一線。那麼除了陳吉仲部長之外，我也想請教院長，我也想請教院長，為什麼我們的鄭文燦副院長他今天完全不來呢？ |
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陳院長建仁：副院長並不能夠上台備詢。 |
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王委員鴻薇：但是他至少可以坐在這邊，至少可以坐在這邊聽聽我們今天委員的質詢。我要講的是，我們可以看到簡報的畫面，當時一開始在缺蛋時，鄭文燦副院長跟陳吉仲一起在賣場說：哇！雞蛋很充足。當然，最後被罵死了，因為後來民眾到賣場時，蛋架上空空如也。院長，我有點幫你抱屈，不能有鏡頭文燦搶，但有責任文燦閃，就閃掉了…… |
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陳院長建仁：我會負起相關的責任。 |
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王委員鴻薇：今天連來聽報告都沒有。請問院長，我們行政院有消保會吧？ |
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陳院長建仁：有。 |
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王委員鴻薇：消保會的召集人是誰？ |
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陳院長建仁：副院長。 |
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王委員鴻薇：副院長，對不對？是鄭文燦副院長。在這次的風波裡面，牽涉到那麼多的食安風暴，而且有很多消費者應該要被保護的事項，但是我們的副院長竟然缺席！院長你今天站在第一線，我為你抱屈，第一個就是陳吉仲逃之夭夭，第二個是鄭文燦也整個閃掉了，所以現在由你來現場做第一線。我想請問一下院長，有關於進口雞蛋的風暴，從早先的超思一人公司執行的黑箱作業，後來引發這麼多的食安風暴，還有現在縣市政府追查流向，以及現在爆發這麼多問題，標示不實原來是政府所指導出來的。我請問一下，陳吉仲部長曾經跟你報告幾次這些相關的問題？ |
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陳院長建仁：吉仲在整個雞蛋進口的部分，一向跟行政院這邊保持很密切的聯繫。 |
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王委員鴻薇：具體的說他跟你報告幾次？是由他親自跟你報告的。 |
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陳院長建仁：我們開會的次數實在是多到很難算耶！從開始要進口的時候就已經在討論。 |
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王委員鴻薇：所以你一路有掌握？ |
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陳院長建仁：所以有關於…… |
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王委員鴻薇：所以你一路有掌握，是嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：我現在就是要跟你講一下，你講到一個特別廠商的問題，他也跟我說明的很清楚了，所以我大概都有掌握到。 |
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王委員鴻薇：所以你可以完全負責，是不是？ |
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陳院長建仁：行政院是…… |
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王委員鴻薇：你完全負責？因為我本來很擔心你是局外人，但現在看起來你是局內人，是嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：我瞭解整個雞蛋進口的過程。 |
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王委員鴻薇：所以你完全負責。好，那接下來我就要請教你了，你知道我們現在根據農業部所講的，有5,400萬顆的雞蛋要銷毀？ |
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陳院長建仁：是。 |
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王委員鴻薇：但事實上絕對不止於此嘛！絕對不止於此，因為你說目前很多的雞蛋不上架，好，我們就以5,400萬顆雞蛋來看，你知道光是這部分政府的支出就達到二億二千八百多萬？ |
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陳院長建仁：沒有錯。 |
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王委員鴻薇：院長，你知道這樣被銷毀、被作為堆肥，錢就這樣的灑到水裡去…… |
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陳院長建仁：整個雞蛋調節的過程中…… |
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王委員鴻薇：我現在要跟你講的是我們納稅人的錢，你知道這個可以支應多少萬份的兒童營養午餐嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：但如果我們沒有這個雞蛋進來庫存、準備調整的話，那麼每一個民眾將會支付超過60億的蛋價，所以我們就政策的評估與支出發現，這是符合…… |
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王委員鴻薇：60億的蛋價也是你們供需失調啊！所以我要講的是，我們這個政府啊…… |
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陳院長建仁：如果沒有進蛋的時候就會這樣…… |
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王委員鴻薇：失職在前，無能在後，還有黑箱作業。 |
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陳院長建仁：沒有黑箱作業。 |
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王委員鴻薇：所以這就是為什麼你今天要道歉。 |
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陳院長建仁：沒有黑箱作業。 |
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王委員鴻薇：我要講的是，兩億兩千多萬可以支應363萬份的兒童營養午餐，這些錢都是納稅人的錢，我們就這樣讓它變成堆肥，難道不是我們政府無能、失職、失能的結果嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：五千四百多萬顆的雞蛋是用來調節整個市場的蛋價，然後…… |
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王委員鴻薇：那你承不承認有過度進口的問題？不然為什麼要銷毀呢？ |
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陳院長建仁：銷毀的問題剛才講過，3、4、5月進來的都沒有…… |
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王委員鴻薇：你銷毀的量高達5成以上耶！ |
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陳院長建仁：一共是37%。 |
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王委員鴻薇：院長，不要再鐵齒！我問你，你銷毀會不會到五成以上嘛！會不會？ |
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陳院長建仁：現在銷毀沒有到五成啊！現在37%啊！ |
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王委員鴻薇：好，37%。接下來還會不會有銷毀？你告訴我！你現在承諾只銷毀5,400萬顆。你告訴我！你現在承諾、你承諾！只銷毀5,400萬顆，剩下來的你自己付，可不可以？ |
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陳院長建仁：5,400萬顆是為了調整市場，我們不能…… |
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王委員鴻薇：不是啊！你不敢承諾嘛！ |
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陳院長建仁：我們不能夠把這個雞蛋…… |
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王委員鴻薇：所以你不敢承諾嘛！ |
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陳院長建仁：隨意的釋入市場，這樣子會影響了蛋農的權益，所以我們要考慮蛋農的權益還有民眾的權益。 |
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王委員鴻薇：院長，我要講一個很重要的問題。你知道我們還有繼續大量專案進口嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：專案進口目前一個月…… |
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王委員鴻薇：到什麼時候？ |
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陳院長建仁：現在是160萬，到明年的6月份…… |
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王委員鴻薇：6月30號，對不對？ |
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陳院長建仁：都可以。 |
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王委員鴻薇：所以我們的專案進口還要實施到6月30號！那我請問你…… |
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陳院長建仁：但是我們的進口量會按照需求而調整。 |
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王委員鴻薇：所以我請問你，我們還要跟哪幾個國家進口，你知道嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：我們最主要要進口的國家目前是澳洲和泰國。 |
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王委員鴻薇：錯！這是你自己報告上寫的喔！ |
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陳院長建仁：那個是…… |
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王委員鴻薇：這是你自己報告上寫的！ |
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陳院長建仁：不是，你講的是那個7個國家，那7個國家實際上是到6月30號，但是目前並沒有採購，是那7個國家可以進口，所以你說「錯」是錯的。 |
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王委員鴻薇：這個是你自己的報告！好，所以我現在要具體地要求…… |
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陳院長建仁：沒有，我現在講現在進口的啊！你問我現在進口的…… |
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王委員鴻薇：院長，不要浪費我的時間！我現在要具體地要求。因為在你們的專案報告上，你們還會跟巴拉圭、瓜地馬拉以及巴西，還有好幾個國家繼續進口…… |
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陳院長建仁：那是可以進口的國家…… |
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王委員鴻薇：是，好，所以…… |
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陳院長建仁：但不一定會進口。 |
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王委員鴻薇：好，所以…… |
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對、對、對。 |
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陳院長建仁：我們目前進口的就是泰國跟澳洲嘛！ |
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王委員鴻薇：好，這個你剛才已經講過。 |
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陳院長建仁：對。 |
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王委員鴻薇：好，那我現在要具體地要求，因為這次從巴西進口衍生的問題是它的船期實在太長，對不對？ |
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陳院長建仁：確實、確實。 |
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王委員鴻薇：然後包含它有沒有噴蠟無法掌握，對不對？ |
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陳院長建仁：它有噴植物油。 |
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王委員鴻薇：對，但是它沒有噴蠟嘛！因為之前你們的解釋是噴蠟。 |
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所以，從一個十萬八千里、從南美洲這樣進口過來的雞蛋，它非常容易產生品質不夠穩定，包含你們講什麼冷鏈等等…… |
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陳院長建仁：日本也從巴西進口。所以我要講的是這樣…… |
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王委員鴻薇：日本從巴西進口並沒有像我們搞出這麼多飛機嘛！ |
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陳院長建仁：在當時的情況…… |
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王委員鴻薇：院長，因為我的時間有限，我在這邊…… |
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陳院長建仁：當時的情況只有巴西能夠大量進口。 |
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王委員鴻薇：我在這邊具體地要求…… |
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陳院長建仁：您說、您說。 |
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王委員鴻薇：因為我們現在列出很多國家，而且要到明年6月30號為止，所以，當船期超過20天的國家，我們停止進口這些雞蛋，好不好？ |
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陳院長建仁：我們可以考慮。 |
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王委員鴻薇：不要浪費！可以吧？ |
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陳院長建仁：我們可以考慮。 |
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王委員鴻薇：因為巴拉圭、瓜地馬拉、巴西，甚至我們在查土耳其，它的船期都高達30天以上。 |
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陳院長建仁：我們可以考慮啦。 |
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王委員鴻薇：好不好？為了大家的食安，我們不要再吃到臭雞蛋了嘛！ |
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陳院長建仁：我們可以考慮。 |
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王委員鴻薇：好不好？ |
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好，這個是很重要的。 |
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時間暫停一下。我接著請我們的法務部長、國防部長，還有教育部長。 |
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主席：來，請法務部長、教育部長。 |
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王委員鴻薇：好，幾位部長，至少你們沒有像鄭文燦一樣閃掉責任。 |
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我先請教育部長，好不好？因為我比較關心校園的食安問題。 |
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潘部長文忠：委員好。 |
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王委員鴻薇：部長，昨天已經有講，就是未來我們全省的校園都要使用國產雞蛋，對不對？ |
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潘部長文忠：跟委員報告，在我們的定型化契約範本很早就這樣嚴格規定。 |
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王委員鴻薇：所以如果是滷蛋、茶葉蛋，國產雞蛋，對不對？ |
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潘部長文忠：跟委員報告，現在蛋類…… |
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王委員鴻薇：包含液蛋嗎？ |
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潘部長文忠：當然啊！ |
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王委員鴻薇：包含液蛋也一定用國產雞蛋？ |
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潘部長文忠：是。 |
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王委員鴻薇：不得用進口雞蛋，不管它是從哪裡來的，是不是？承諾喔！ |
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潘部長文忠：我們的規範就是這樣子。 |
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王委員鴻薇：好，謝謝部長﹗ |
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那我再請國防部長。 |
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部長，我們也非常關心在這次整個雞蛋的食安風暴裡面，剛才院長也講，每個人起碼都要吃上一顆，很多人其實不只，所以在我們的軍隊裡面，因為我們不要每一次都是大家不要吃的，然後又給我們國軍弟兄去吃，所以部長可不可以承諾，未來在軍隊裡面也都使用國產雞蛋？ |
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邱部長國正：我先跟委員報告一下，國軍沒有講什麼不要就往軍隊裡面丟，國軍不會到這種地步。第二個，我們的採購有副供站，副供站的標準都訂得清清楚楚，一定是國內金、馬、臺、澎所生產的蛋，我們依據條約去買的話，不會有…… |
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王委員鴻薇：所以接下來不管是之前進口了1億4,000顆雞蛋，或者現在在海上還有進口雞蛋，或者未來到明年6月30號還有雞蛋，我們的軍隊裡面不管是殼蛋、滷蛋或者是液蛋，都是國產雞蛋是嗎？ |
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邱部長國正：我們經過副食採購的話，一定是國產的。 |
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王委員鴻薇：好，謝謝部長！ |
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接下來我想請教法務部長，因為這次整個食安風暴一發不可收拾，所以我也注意到全省好幾個地檢署都開始在做調查。 |
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蔡部長清祥：是的。 |
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王委員鴻薇：我們主要調查的方向是什麼？ |
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蔡部長清祥：只要有涉及到刑事責任的，檢察官都會依法來偵查。 |
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王委員鴻薇：好，這個刑事責任包不包括政府官員？ |
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蔡部長清祥：這個就看事實的狀況，由檢察官來認定。 |
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王委員鴻薇：因為你們現在主要是針對民間業者，但是現在很多民間業者喊冤，包括標示不實的問題、包括效期的問題，都是來自於我們政府的指示，所以我要請問，我們的追查方向會不會只查民間，然後錯放或者縱放政府官員相關的責任？ |
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蔡部長清祥：只要任何人涉及到犯罪，檢察官依職權都會來偵查的。 |
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王委員鴻薇：所以我在這邊具體的建議，因為你們要做約談，你們要約談陳吉仲部長，你們要約談現在下臺的前畜產會的林聰賢，因為剛才我們的代理部長講的也非常清楚啊！整個標示不實、標示錯誤是來自於畜產會對民間業者的指示，所以在這個部分，可不可以不要縱放政府官員的責任，只去查民間，可不可以？ |
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蔡部長清祥：個案由承辦的檢察官來認定。 |
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王委員鴻薇：我希望你們要一致的公平，不要只拿民間業者來做替罪羔羊。謝謝！ |
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主席：謝謝王委員！接下來請林委員楚茵質詢。 |
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出專案報告。（9月24日（9月25日（9月25日（9月26日 |
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大家知道雞蛋在臺灣從小孩到長者是每天必須食用幾乎每個人都會吃的每天幾乎一顆每天幾乎一顆有的人還吃到兩三顆那更不要說我手上的是滷蛋那麼可能很多人午餐在滷肉飯加一顆滷蛋對不對或在我們孩子的營養午餐裡面也會有滷蛋 |
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我手上這個是這一次也捲入整個雞蛋食安風暴裡面的一個義美蜂蜜蛋糕長形蛋糕因為他用了相關的這個進口雞蛋所以呢這一次呢也造成了風暴更不要說現在相關的風暴還在擴大之中所以義美的這個部分他有對外說明我知道他有說明我要講的是 |
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所以今天為什麼希望一開始就請院長要跟國人來道歉不是跟我們立法委員道歉而是要跟國人道歉因為這一次的風暴實在是扯淡真的太扯淡了太多的問題那對不起那個時間暫停一下對我還沒有還沒有請你還沒請 |
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議員長我們都知道這一次在我們的質詢報告之前結果我們的陳吉仲部長他提前下台請辭剛才我也注意到黃國書委員有詢問你你在9月17號慰留他認為他應該有責任來釐清相關的問題但是又火速的在19號就讓他請辭這裡面我們認為充滿了太多的政治算計 |
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尤其今天立法院的專案報告他卻在之前溜之大吉其實是非常惡劣的行為所以現在變成一個代理部長甚至院長自己要親自站到第一線那麼除了陳吉仲部長之外我也想請教院長我也想請教院長為什麼我們的副院長鄭文燦副院長他今天完全不來呢 |
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這個副院長並不能夠上臺備詢 |
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但是他至少可以坐在這邊至少可以坐在這邊聽聽我們今天的委員的質詢我要講的是我們可以看到這個畫面當時在一開始缺蛋的時候鄭文燦副院長跟陳吉仲一起在賣場說哇雞蛋很充足那當然最後這個被罵死了因為後來民眾到這個賣場蛋價上空空如也 |
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所以我們要請問的是,院長我有點幫你抱軀,不能夠有鏡頭的時候,有鏡頭文燦搶,但是有責任文燦閃。那就是閃掉了,今天連來報告都,就是連來聽報告都沒有。還有,院長,我們行政院有消保會吧?有。消保會的召集人是誰?副院長。 |
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消費者應該要被保護的事項但是呢我們的副院長竟然缺席所以院長你今天站在第一線我為你報區就是第一個陳吉仲陶之夭夭 |
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二、行政院院院長施政報告並備質詢。（9月24日（ |
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請問一下院長有關於進口雞蛋的風暴從早先的包含超市一人公司大家執行的黑箱作業後來引發這麼多的食安風暴還有現在縣市政府追查流向還有現在爆發這麼多問題好標示不實原來是政府所這個指導出來的 |
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我請問一下陳吉仲部長曾經跟你有幾次來報告相關的這些問題吉仲在這個整個雞蛋進口的這個部分一向跟行政院這邊保持很密切的聯繫沒有具體他幾次跟你報告他親自跟你報告我們開會的次數實在是多到很難算從開始要進口的時候就已經對你一路有掌握所以有關於所以你一路掌握是嗎 |
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我了解整個這一個雞蛋進口的過程 |
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所以你完全負責好那接下來院長我就要請教你了 |
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你知我們現在根據現在農業部所講的有5400萬顆的雞蛋要銷毀但事實上絕對不止於此嘛絕對不止於此因為很多的雞蛋目前你就說現在不上不上架好我們就以5400萬顆雞蛋吧你知道光是這一部分政府的支出就達到2億2800多萬有錯 |
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月長知道,這樣被消費,被作為堆肥,這樣的錢就這樣子的撒到嘴裡去,可以支持。我現在要跟你講的是我們納稅人的錢 |
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你知道這個可以支應多少萬份的兒童營養午餐嗎?但是如果我們沒有這個雞蛋進來庫存在那邊準備調整的話那麼每一個民眾將會支出超過60億的這樣的一個單價所以我們就政策的評估支出跟評估我們發現這是符合60億的單價這也是你們供需失調啊所以我要講的是我們這個政府啊如果沒有進單的時候沒有進單的時候 |
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無能在後還有黑箱作業沒有黑箱作業所以這就是為什麼今天你要道歉好那我要講的就是沒有黑箱作業我們兩億兩千多萬可以支應我們363萬份的兒童營養午餐所以這個錢都是納稅人的錢都是納稅人的錢我們就這樣讓他去變成堆肥這難道不是我們政府 |
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無能、失職、失能的結果嗎?那你承不承認你有過度進口的問題啊?不然為什麼要銷毀呢?銷毀就剛才講過你3、4、5頁的進來都沒有但是呢一共是37%我問你你銷毀會不會到五成以上嘛?現在銷毀沒有到五成啊現在37%啊 |
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好37%接下來還會不會有銷毀你告訴我你現在承諾只銷毀5400萬顆你告訴我你現在承諾你承諾只銷毀5400萬顆剩下來的你自己付可不可以5400萬顆是為了調整市場不是啊你不敢承諾啦所以你不敢承諾好院長院長接下來我要講很重要的問題院長 |
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我講很重要的問題你知道我們還有繼續的大量的專案進口嗎?專案進口目前一個月到現在是160萬到明年的6月份6月30號對不對所以我們的專案進口還要實施到6月30號 |
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但是我們的進口量是會按照需求而調整。（9月23日） |
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這是你自己報告上寫的喔? |
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那個是你自己報告上寫的不是,你講的是那個七個國家那七個國家呢實際上是到6月30號但是目前並沒有採購是那七個國家可以進口所以你說錯是錯的對這個是你自己的報告所以我現在要具體的要求我現在講現在進口的阿現在進口我現在要具體的要求 |
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因為在你們的專案報告上你們還會跟巴拉圭、瓜地馬拉以及巴西還有好幾個國家繼續的進口那是可以進口的國家但不一定會進口我們目前進口的就是泰國跟澳洲這個你剛才已經講過那我現在要具體的要求 |
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有噴食物有 |
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對,但是他沒有噴辣嘛,因為之前你們的解釋是噴辣,所以從一個十萬八千里從南美洲這樣進口過來的雞蛋,他非常容易產生他的品質不夠穩定,包括你們講什麼冷鏈等等。 |
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所以我要講的是日本從巴西進口沒有像我們搞出這麼多飛機嘛在當時的情況因為我的時間有限我在這邊具體的要求具體要求因為你們現在列出很多國家而且要到明年6月30號為止 |
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時間暫停一下我接著請我們的法務部長 |
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國防部長和教育部長 |
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好幾位部長至少你們沒有像鄭文燦一樣閃掉責任我先請那個教育部長好不好因為我比較關心校園的食安問題委員好部長昨天已經有講就是未來我們全省的校園都要國產雞蛋對不對跟委員報告在我們的定型化那個企業範本很早就是這樣嚴格規定的所以如果是滷蛋茶葉蛋國產雞蛋對不對 |
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部長,我們也非常關心在這次的整個的雞蛋的食安風暴裡面 |
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剛才院長也講每個人起碼都要吃上一顆很多人其實不吃那所以在我們的軍方是不是部長也可以承諾在我們的軍隊裡面因為我們不要每一次都是大家不要吃的然後呢又給我們國居地修去吃所以部長可不可以承諾我們未來在軍隊裡面也都使用國產雞蛋 |
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我先跟委員報告一下,國軍沒有假裝什麼不要就往軍隊裡面丟,國軍不會到這種地步。第二個,我們這個採購有復工債。 |
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消息。（9月24日（9月25日（9月25日（9月26日 |
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我們經過這個富時採購的話一定是國產的。好,謝謝,謝謝部長。好,接下來我想請教那個法務部長,因為這次食安風暴整個的一發不可收拾,所以我也注意到,我們全省好幾個地檢署都開始在做調查。是嘞。我們主要調查的方向是什麼?只要有涉及到刑事責任的檢察官都會依法來偵查。 |
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這個行事責任包括不包括政府官員 |
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這個就看事實的狀況。因為你們現在主要是針對民間業者但是現在很多民間業者喊冤包括標示不實的問題包括這個秀旗的問題都是來自於我們政府的一個指示所以我要請問我們的追查方向會不會只查民間然後錯放或者縱放政府官員相關的責任 |
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只要任何人涉及到犯罪檢察官依職權都會來偵查的所以我在這邊具體的建議因為你們要做約談你們要約談陳吉仲部長你們要約談現在下台的前市產會的這個林聰賢 |
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因為剛才我們的代理部長講的也非常清楚啊整個標示不實標示錯誤是來自於市場會對民間業者的一個指示所以在這部分可不可以不要縱放政府官員的責任只去查民間可不可以我希望沒有民事的問題不要只拿民間業者來做替罪報告 |