| IVOD_ID |
149091 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149091 |
| 日期 |
2024-01-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
臨時會院會-10-8-1-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第10屆第8會期第1次臨時會第1次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
10 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
8 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.臨時會會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第10屆第8會期第1次臨時會第1次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-01-09T10:31:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-01-09T10:47:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7594f10b9bbee689760726d9d4d36c64826b98f121effac12be4303bcf228b50ac88c721d118b9685ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:31:57 - 10:47:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-01-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第10屆第8會期第1次臨時會第1次會議（事由：行政院院長提出「是否公布高端合約？是否圖利廠商及危害全民健康權益？」等相關事宜專案報告並備質詢） |
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賴委員士葆：（10時32分）謝謝主席以及各位先進。老柯一向老謀深算、老奸巨猾，同意我們開臨時會，其中必有詐，以為要堵我們的嘴、要公開了，原來都沒有，原來今天來，這一本叫做陳建仁替高端擦脂抹粉報告書，貴為行政院長，自甘墮落成為高端的salesman，開口閉口高端多讚又多讚，臺灣多讚又多讚，臺灣前面很讚，但後面就不行了，3加11的破口不要忘了，死了多少人！高端到現在為止走不出去，國際沒有承認高端，不要忘了，它到現在為止沒有做第三期哦！院長，你不要當了院長還…… |
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請院長。 |
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主席：陳院長，請。 |
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陳院長建仁：委員，謝謝你請我上來，我還以為你不讓我有講的機會，實際上你講的是完全不正確。 |
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賴委員士葆：我先講，你不要講，我沒有讓你講，你先不要講，你尊重我。 |
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陳院長建仁：好，我會尊重你。 |
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賴委員士葆：在這裡是我的時間。院長，原本你上台時，大家覺得你多少有一個學術良心，中研院這麼高的位子、這麼高的學術高度，怎麼會…… |
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陳院長建仁：我剛才講的都是事實。 |
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賴委員士葆：我講話你不要插嘴可以嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：好。 |
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賴委員士葆：請你不要插嘴，尊重我。 |
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陳院長建仁：那你給我講話的機會，等一下給我講話的機會。 |
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賴委員士葆：我讓你講話才講。今天前面的委員「竹篙鬥菜刀」，為什麼今天開這個會？賴清德自己講的，是賴清德先「起鼓」說要公開高端疫苗，到昨天還講要公開，是賴清德要公開，不要忘了，還說什麼政治鬥爭等等之類的，我們是看民調，臺灣人民有70%希望公開，所以才有今天的臨時會。 |
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院長，前面是前言，你不要回答…… |
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陳院長建仁：你的前提我可以回答嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：你不要回答。 |
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陳院長建仁：為什麼不讓我回答？ |
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賴委員士葆：來，我問你，你有沒有講過高端要公開？ |
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陳院長建仁：你這樣不公平啦。 |
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賴委員士葆：請你尊重我可以嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：沒有，剛才你前提完，你說要給我回答，你沒有給我回答。 |
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賴委員士葆：我等一下會給你回答嘛，你聽完，我的題目在這裡啊，剛才是前言啦、前言啦！ |
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陳建仁說高端公開要董事會同意，陳時中嗆你喔！不可以任意公開；薛瑞元也嗆你啊，薛瑞元有上來…… |
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陳院長建仁：斷章取義。 |
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賴委員士葆：他嗆你啊，他說高端考量中。欸！高端彷彿你們的皇帝，好像是你們的太上皇一樣欸！ |
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陳院長建仁：我不同意。 |
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賴委員士葆：高端、高端什麼東西，欸！來，這是你講的、你講的，陳建仁1月5號講的…… |
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陳院長建仁：我不同意，而且這是斷章取義的東西。 |
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賴委員士葆：不同意嗎？不同意嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：不同意呀！ |
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賴委員士葆：你講的，這報紙寫的！ |
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陳院長建仁：剛才委員你講的這個，不要在那邊製造分裂啦，實際上…… |
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賴委員士葆：關分裂什麼事？ |
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陳院長建仁：我可以回答嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：你針對我的問題回答。 |
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陳院長建仁：我可以回答嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：請你針對問題回答。 |
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陳院長建仁：好，我…… |
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賴委員士葆：請你針對問題回答說，是不是要公開一定要高端同意，是不是？是不是？Yes、No？ |
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陳院長建仁：對，我贊成公開。 |
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賴委員士葆：這樣就好了、這樣就好了！ |
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高端是行政院的太上皇…… |
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陳院長建仁：錯！ |
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賴委員士葆：你可以看喔…… |
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陳院長建仁：我不同意。 |
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賴委員士葆：你剛才、你剛才…… |
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陳院長建仁：我不同意啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：你剛才回答……你不同意就不同意嘛…… |
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薛部長瑞元：高端公司…… |
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賴委員士葆：你先不要講！ |
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薛部長瑞元：是民營的公司…… |
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賴委員士葆：好！剛才院長在回答其他委員的時候，有說我們要信守契約誠信，你講的，有沒有？ |
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陳院長建仁：對啊，當然啊。 |
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賴委員士葆：對！好，太好了，那你砍軍公教的年金，為什麼不信守那個契約呢？軍公教是法律耶，是by law、是法耶，law是法耶！你說砍就砍，重新砍光光，對不對？ |
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陳院長建仁：我可以回答嗎？我可以回答嗎？軍公教年改也是依法辦理。 |
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賴委員士葆：你怎麼……軍公教為什麼可以不講誠信？為什麼不講誠信？軍公教為什麼可以不講誠信？ |
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陳院長建仁：軍公教年改也是依法辦理。 |
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賴委員士葆：現在高端要講誠信！為什麼你高端講誠信？ |
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陳院長建仁：大法官的釋憲…… |
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賴委員士葆：軍公教不講誠信？ |
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陳院長建仁：大法官釋憲的結果是可以進行軍公教改革，你相信大法官的解釋，還是相信…… |
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賴委員士葆：我當然不相信大法官，都是綠油油的一片！ |
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陳院長建仁：你不相信大法官？ |
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賴委員士葆：當然不相信呀！大法官都是…… |
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陳院長建仁：喔，你不相信大法官，那…… |
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賴委員士葆：對不對？大法官誰相信呀！你去問一問，大法官誰相信？全部都綠的。 |
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陳院長建仁：我也沒有話講了，你不相信大法官的解釋！ |
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賴委員士葆：大法官就是蔡英文一個人的意思而已。 |
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來，所以院長…… |
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陳院長建仁：你誤解了臺灣的法律。 |
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賴委員士葆：院長，我告訴你，你講說要信守契約只針對高端，軍公教不必信守契約、軍公教不必信守這個承諾…… |
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陳院長建仁：我們是依法。 |
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賴委員士葆：而且這是法律耶，高端沒有法律。 |
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好，我講給你聽，高端在民國110年5月30號重訊喔！重大訊息發布，它是上櫃公司，第六款仔細看好，我把它放大了，限制條款依採購機關要求，就是衛福部要求不可以公開，所以不是高端不要公開啊！找到、抓到了，是衛福部要求要保密條款…… |
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薛部長瑞元：衛福部沒有要求。 |
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賴委員士葆：它重訊是這樣。 |
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薛部長瑞元：重訊是它單方面公告的。 |
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賴委員士葆：奇怪！這個是…… |
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薛部長瑞元：它不用經過衛福部同意再去公開…… |
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賴委員士葆：這個是高端的重訊，110年5月30號重訊…… |
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薛部長瑞元：它要公告重訊不需經過衛福部。 |
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賴委員士葆：它說是你們要求它不可以公開，是你們要求的！ |
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薛部長瑞元：我們沒有要求。 |
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賴委員士葆：它這樣寫啊！ |
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薛部長瑞元：它這樣寫並不需要通過我們的同意，它就可以寫啊。 |
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賴委員士葆：你沒有糾正呀、你沒有糾正喔、你沒有糾正喔。 |
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薛部長瑞元：我不是它在證券的主管機關。 |
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賴委員士葆：它是你太上皇嘛！所以…… |
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薛部長瑞元：什麼叫太上皇？現在是民主時代，哪裡有什麼太上皇！ |
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賴委員士葆：再來，行政院、衛福部自導自演，你叫它不可以公開，結果現在說公開要它同意，世間有這種事情？自己…… |
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薛部長瑞元：高端是民營公司，難道民營的公司政府隨便要怎麼樣就可以怎麼樣嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：但是它講說……不要忘了，它講、它自己講…… |
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薛部長瑞元：你叫全臺灣的民營公司要怎麼樣去生存？ |
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賴委員士葆：它的重訊講，是簽約的機關、採購機關，就是政府…… |
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薛部長瑞元：這是它一面之詞，衛福部沒有叫它不可以公開！ |
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陳院長建仁：委員，你不要用高端的重訊來…… |
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賴委員士葆：奇怪！重訊，高端也是，奇怪！它公開資料耶，拜託！這是公開資料…… |
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陳院長建仁：錯誤的資料。 |
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賴委員士葆：金管會主委，來、來、來！ |
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陳院長建仁：錯誤的資料。 |
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賴委員士葆：黃主委、黃主委，來講一下重訊，黃主委怎麼處理重訊？金管會主委，它的重訊居然是一文不值啊！那金管會主委是幹什麼的？來，黃主委講一下重訊怎麼處理？ |
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黃主任委員天牧：重訊有櫃買中心公布的相關辦法，根據那些事項，如果有符合規定的話就要公布。 |
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賴委員士葆：那它公布是真的假的？你們要不要查核？ |
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黃主任委員天牧：因為委員剛才垂詢的事情我不太瞭解它的背景。 |
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賴委員士葆：你去瞭解，你可以請回。 |
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居然大家抓到了，不公開的是衛福部啊！不是高端，卻要我們問高端。來！我們再看上一張，為什麼這裡面你一定不能公開？它又沒有要外銷，它只有101個，買主就是衛福部；它去年1到7月份營業額是0，靠著代理韓國的疫苗，它才有收入，清楚的是它要靠你們。 |
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陳院長建仁：沒有這回事。 |
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賴委員士葆：它拜託你們，怎麼你現在靠他們？大家都怕成這樣！ |
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薛部長瑞元：報告委員，高端的腸病毒疫苗已經上市。 |
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陳院長建仁：對，你完全不懂高端的情況，而且現在，委員，我可以講了嘛，你剛才講的這一些說高端賣得很少怎麼樣，但是你不要忘掉高端…… |
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賴委員士葆：營業額0啊！ |
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陳院長建仁：沒有，但是高端，我剛才講過世界衛生組織跟高端有要技轉…… |
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賴委員士葆：高端的營業額是0，8月份靠你們的流感疫苗，這是事實啊！ |
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陳院長建仁：但是高端的疫苗，高端的COVID-19疫苗確實保護了臺灣300萬人的生命，這個你不可以否認。 |
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賴委員士葆：走不出去啊！ |
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陳院長建仁：因為它的效果就是跟BNT、莫德納一樣好啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：有嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：那你現在抹煞了這種情形，就是因為很多人這樣的抹煞，才會使得臺灣的產業沒有辦法…… |
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賴委員士葆：對不起，陳院長，你不要釋放假訊息，剛才我一聽就很生氣，有哪一位國民黨的委員叫你進口中國疫苗？哪一位講出來！哪一位講出來！ |
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陳院長建仁：我等一下給你一系列的東西，有喔。 |
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賴委員士葆：講出來！講出來！講出來！現在就講！現在就講國民黨哪一位立委說要進口中國疫苗，哪一位你說！你在這裡釋放假訊息啊！你就是假訊息中心！陳院長，你怎麼可以這樣子？ |
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陳院長建仁：我不是，這樣子講…… |
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賴委員士葆：這樣喪失學術良心！ |
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陳院長建仁：這樣子沒有辦法討論事情。 |
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賴委員士葆：當然沒有辦法討論，因為你亂扣帽子。 |
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陳院長建仁：要來講的是事實，當時有多少人主張要進口中國…… |
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賴委員士葆：國民黨沒有立委說要進口中國疫苗。 |
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陳院長建仁：使用中國的疫苗。 |
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賴委員士葆：以前你萬般阻擋BNT、阻擋什麼的，就是為了高端，我們還在這裡表決一個國民黨團的提案，說我們進口全世界…… |
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陳院長建仁：包括中國的疫苗。 |
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賴委員士葆：WHO核准的…… |
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陳院長建仁：就是包括中國疫苗啊！你講的就是中國疫苗啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：高端就沒有列入。 |
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陳院長建仁：世界衛生組織核准的疫苗就是有中國的疫苗，所以你們也是主張中國疫苗啊，因為你要世界衛生組織核准的，就是中國疫苗。 |
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賴委員士葆：你們可以篩選不要中國的疫苗。 |
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陳院長建仁：所以你是有主張啊！所以你剛才自己講啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：我哪裡有主張？ |
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陳院長建仁：有啊！你說進口世界衛生組織核可的疫苗，就包括了中國的科興跟中國的國藥，所以你這樣主張難道不是嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：你這個是假訊息。 |
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陳院長建仁：為什麼假訊息？世界衛生組織核可的就包括中國疫苗，怎麼會沒有？你告訴我世界衛生組織核可的疫苗有沒有中國疫苗，有沒有？有啊！確實是有。 |
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賴委員士葆：難道只有中國嗎？沒有其他嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：當然有，但是…… |
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賴委員士葆：對啊！有莫德納啊！ |
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陳院長建仁：但是也有中國的疫苗啊！所以你們也是主張會進入世界衛生組織的list裡面嘛！ |
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賴委員士葆：沒有人主張，你今天釋放假訊息，我跟你講。 |
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陳院長建仁：我沒有釋放假訊息，是你自己講的！是你講說你們主張世界衛生組織的疫苗通通可以進口，那世界衛生組織通過的疫苗就是包括了科興跟國藥。 |
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賴委員士葆：你們可以篩選，可以不要它嘛！這東西你不要就不要，人家認為BNT只是經過上海……好！你不要給我拖時間。 |
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陳院長建仁：我沒有拖時間，是你講的啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：價差，為什麼明明他要700塊就可以，為什麼你們買881、平均840？這不是圖利就是飯桶！ |
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陳院長建仁：這不是飯桶！ |
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賴委員士葆：那是圖利。 |
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陳院長建仁：你那個700塊是take average，臺灣總共要買3,000萬劑的疫苗，是想說大概要700塊，委員不要忘掉AZ疫苗是很便宜的，AZ疫苗是很便宜的，那個我們剛才講到的中國疫苗，那種很簡單作法的，還有那個高階的疫苗，像高端的是不一樣，所以這需要議價，你700塊錢那個是錯的消息。 |
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賴委員士葆：這個錄音檔出來…… |
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陳院長建仁：那個是剪接的錄音檔。 |
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賴委員士葆：那你去告他嘛！ |
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陳院長建仁：有啊！已經告了啊！已經被告了啊！現在在司法的調查當中，高端已經去告他們了。 |
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賴委員士葆：反正司法院是你們開的嘛！檢調都是你們開的。 |
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陳院長建仁：我不同意這一件事情，你這樣講的話，我不同意，檢調怎麼會是行政院開的？ |
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賴委員士葆：你不要轉移焦點。 |
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陳院長建仁：你這樣講不對嘛！ |
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賴委員士葆：我當然講得對啊！怎麼不對？ |
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陳院長建仁：你說檢調是我們開的。 |
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賴委員士葆：當然是你們開的啊！現在檢調專門在抓藍軍啊！ |
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陳院長建仁：我完全、完全反對這樣的講法…… |
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賴委員士葆：檢調專門抓藍軍，也沒抓綠軍，綠軍都不抓啊！ |
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陳院長建仁：檢調是我們開的？ |
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賴委員士葆：綠軍都不抓啊！藍軍拼命抓，就為了選舉的事情拼命介入，司法介選現在進行式啊！ |
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陳院長建仁：委員不要選舉到了就到處抹黑啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：這樣沒有意思啦！我跟你講。 |
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陳院長建仁：沒有意思的是你講的。 |
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賴委員士葆：你今天…… |
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陳院長建仁：是嘛！你就說檢調怎麼會是我開的？ |
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賴委員士葆：你今天是來講的，不是來吵架的啊！ |
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陳院長建仁：我沒有吵架，是你…… |
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賴委員士葆：陳院長一開始就來吵架啊！ |
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陳院長建仁：你…… |
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賴委員士葆：你來吵架的啊！院長你脾氣好一點啦！ |
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陳院長建仁：沒有，你就說…… |
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賴委員士葆：你真的不是圖利就是飯桶，講到你的痛處，所以你跟我吵架。 |
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陳院長建仁：沒有，我沒有飯桶、我沒有圖利。 |
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賴委員士葆：你飯桶或是圖利，就是這樣。 |
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陳院長建仁：我可以講嗎？我可以講嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：不可以講！衛福部不是圖利就是飯桶。 |
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我們看最後一個，你們兩位都可以走。 |
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薛部長瑞元：我跟委員講啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：請走、請走。 |
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薛部長瑞元：BNT比那個價格還高啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：薛部長請走。 |
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薛部長瑞元：也是用700塊去算的啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：薛部長請走。 |
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薛部長瑞元：去編預算的啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：薛部長請走、薛部長請走、請走，請你們兩位都走，院長留下來，我時間不多了，不要浪費我的時間。 |
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你對於廢死的態度是怎麼樣？蔡英文說廢死是普世目標；陳菊說人權會成立廢死的推動工作小組；游院長說廢除死刑是我們努力的目標啊！所以民進黨推動廢死在路上，在哪裡？在路上，在路上啊！黨綱把它查一查，有廢死呀！以今天來講，為什麼可以拖28個、38個…… |
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蔡部長清祥：37。 |
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賴委員士葆：38、37都一樣啦！whatever，很多，為什麼這樣？就是因為你們用一個死刑執行規則，這不是法律啊！這就是你訂的，法務部長訂…… |
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蔡部長清祥：那是94年就訂了。 |
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賴委員士葆：這個東西不是法律的東西，不是法律，對吧？ |
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蔡部長清祥：它是一個規則沒有錯…… |
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賴委員士葆：規則不是法律嘛！ |
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蔡部長清祥：但是是94年就已經訂了…… |
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賴委員士葆：對！ |
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蔡部長清祥：要經過救濟，包括再審、非常上訴，還有釋憲。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以很簡單，我在這裡公開呼籲，反對廢死的人，大家票投侯友宜與趙少康，這樣子馬上可以把這一條改掉，已經三審定讞死刑了，還要給他再審？還要給他非常上訴？最惡劣的是還要經過憲法法庭，大法官都是蔡英文提名的，老闆要廢死，當然不敢動啊！這個就是我要講的，票投侯康才可能反廢死，謝謝。 |
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主席：好，謝謝賴委員。 |
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報告院會，休息10分鐘，休息之後繼續進行質詢，現在休息。 |
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休息（10時48分） |
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繼續開會（10時58分） |
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86 |
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臨時會院會-10-8-1-1 |
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游錫堃 |
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邱顯智 |
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邱臣遠 |
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曾銘宗 |
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林俊憲 |
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賴士葆 |
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邱泰源 |
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王鴻薇 |
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蔡適應 |
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吳斯懷 |
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洪申翰 |
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游毓蘭 |
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莊瑞雄 |
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李德維 |
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吳玉琴 |
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林為洲 |
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1 |
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2024-01-09 |
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1130301 |
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立法院第10屆第8會期第1次臨時會第1次會議紀錄 |
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施政質詢
行政院院長提出「是否公布高端合約？是否圖利廠商及危害全民健康權益？」等相關事宜專案報
告並備質詢─ 詢答完畢─ |
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謝謝謝謝主席以及各位先進我以為今天老柯一向老謀深算老奸巨滑要同意我們來開歷史會其中必有詐 |
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以為說要公開啦讀我們的嘴要公開啦原來都沒有勒原來今天來這一本就是什麼這一本就是陳建仁替高端擦脂抹粉報告書啦貴為行政院長 |
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自甘墮落成為高端的salesman開口閉口 高端我贊都我贊台灣我贊都我贊喔 台灣 台中贊啊不要不行啊3加11的破口不要忘了 死了多少人死了多少人 高端到現在為止走不出去啊國際沒有承認高端 不要忘囉他到現在為止沒有做第三期喔院長 |
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你不要當連任還來欺騙他們院長請 |
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委員謝謝你請我上來我還以為你不讓我有講的機會實際上你上來講的是完全不正確我沒有叫你講先不要講OK你尊重我在這裡是我的時間是我的時間院長大家原來你上台大家覺得你多少學術良心你中研院這麼高的位置這麼高的學術高度我剛才講的不是事實我講完你不要插嘴可以嗎請你不要插嘴尊重我 |
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那你給我講話的機會我讓你講話再講今天前面的委員今天為什麼這個會賴清德自己講的是賴清德先Kick Go賴清德說要公開高端疫苗到昨天還講要公開賴清德要公開 |
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不要忘了什麼政治鬥爭什麼之類的我們是跟著去說你看民調臺灣的人民70%的人希望公開所以才今天要講臨時會來 院長你不要回答你不回答你不要回答來來來問你你有沒有講過高端要公開 |
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請你尊重我嗎?請你尊重我可以嗎?我會給你回答嘛!我會給你聽完嘛!我聽不在這裡啊!剛才是前言啦!前言啦!陳建仁說高端公開要同時會統一陳時中嗆!嗆你喔!不可以啊!徐樂園也嗆你啊! |
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雖然又上了一課﹚斷章取義﹚他說要高端考量中高端不會是你們的紅帝好像是你們的太上皇一樣我不同意高端 高端 什麼東西這是不是你講的 陳建仁一月五號講的 |
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我不同意而且這是斷章取義的東西不同意嗎你講的我剛才委員你講的這個不要在那邊製造分裂啦實際上我可以回答嗎我可以回答嗎請你針對問題回答請你針對問題回答說是不是要公開一定要高端同意是不是是不是yes no好這樣就好了來 |
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高端是行政院的太上皇你剛才回答你不同意 |
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高端公司是民營的公司剛才院長在回答其他委員的時候有說我們要信守契約誠信你講的有沒有對呀當然啦對好太好了那你看軍公教的年輕為什麼不信守那個契約呢軍公教是法律耶是百路是法欸LAW是法咧你說看就看我可以回答嗎 |
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我可以回答嗎軍公教連改也是依法辦理而且大法官釋憲的結果是可以進行軍公教改革你相信大法官的解釋還是相信 |
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你誤解了臺灣的法律 |
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我告訴你你講說要信守契約只針對高端軍公教不必信守契約啊軍公教不必信守這個承諾而且這是法律欸高端沒有法律好我講給你聽高端在民國110年5月30號重巡樓重大訊息發布他是上櫃公司 |
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衛福部沒有要求 |
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你沒有糾正了 |
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我不是他在這個證券的這個主管的機關他是你太上訪嗎?什麼叫太上訪?現在是民主時代哪有什麼太上訪?現在行政院委員部自導自演你叫他不可以公開結果現在說公開要他同意世界的這件事 |
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高端是民營公司難道民營的公司政府隨便要怎麼樣就可以怎麼樣嗎叫做全台灣的民營公司要怎麼樣去生存這是他一念之詞問福部沒有叫他不可以公開 |
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委員你不要用高端的重訓來...奇怪 重訓 高端的事奇怪 他公開資料欸拜託這是公開資料錯誤的資料來來來 黃主委黃主委來來講講一下重訓 黃主委怎麼處理重訓儘管會主委他的重訓居然是一文不值啊儘管會主委是幹什麼的來來來 黃主委講一下重訓怎麼處理 |
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中訓他有歸買中心他的中訓的公布的辦法根據那些事項如果有符合規定的話就要公布那他公布是真的假的你們要不要查核這個就是他當委員您剛才垂詢的事情我不太瞭解他的背景你去瞭解好不好你瞭解假的即便這樣來我在你可以請回好不好就居然 |
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上一張我們可以我們來可以看了可以看為什麼這裡面你一定不能公開為什麼一定不能公開他又沒有要外銷他只有一百零一個買主就是衛務部他去年的一到七月份營業額是零靠著 |
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高端的長病毒疫苗已經上市你完全不懂高端的情況而且現在委員我可以講了吧 |
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你剛才講的這一些說高端賣得很少怎麼樣但是呢你不要忘掉高端我剛才講過世界衛生組織跟高端有要進轉但是高端的疫苗確實高端的COVID-19疫苗確實保護了台灣300萬人的生命 |
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這個你不可以否認因為他的效果就是跟BNT跟莫德納一樣好啊那你現在抹煞了這種事情就是因為很多人這樣的抹煞才會使得台灣的產業沒有辦法我剛才聽我聽得很生氣有哪一位國民黨的委員所叫你進口中國疫苗哪一位講出來 |
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我等一下給你一系列的東西你現在就講 下次講國民黨哪一位立委說要進口中國疫苗哪一位你說 你在這裡分放假訊息啊你就是假訊息中心陳院長你怎麼可以這樣子啊這樣子沒有辦法討論事情啊要來講的是事實當時有多少人來主張要進入中國 |
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國民黨團提案說我們進口全世界 |
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賴士葆 |
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你說進口世界衛生組織合格的疫苗就包括了中國的科興跟中國的國藥所以你這樣的主張難道不是嗎你這個是假訊息你自己世界衛生組織合格的就包括中國疫苗 |
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怎麼會沒有?你告訴我世界衛生組織可不可的疫苗有沒有中國疫苗?有沒有?有啊!確實是有!當然有!但是也有中國的疫苗啊!所以你們也是主張會進入世界衛生組織的list裡面嘛!我沒有報告小訊息!是你自己講的!是你講說你們主張世界衛生組織的疫苗通通可以進口! |
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那世界衛生組織通過的疫苗就是包括了科興跟國藥假查為什麼明明他說700塊才會殺你啊為什麼2881平均840這不是圖利就是罷工這是崩潰 |
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這不是文章你那個7百塊你那個7百塊是Tag Average台灣當中買3千萬這個疫苗是想說大概要700塊委員不要忘掉AZ疫苗是很便宜的AZ疫苗是很便宜的那個我們剛才講到的中國的疫苗那種很簡單的做法的還有那個高階的疫苗像高端的是不一樣所以這是說一下你700塊錢那個是錯的消息 |
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這個錄音檔出來那個是剪接的錄音檔那你去告他嘛有啊 已經被告啦現在在司法的調查當中高端已經去告他們了這個剪調都是你們開的剪調是我不同意這一件事情你這樣講的話我不同意剪調怎麼會是行政院開的你不要管李佳天你這樣講不對嘛 |
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你說檢調是我們開的檢調專門在抓藍軍檢調專門抓藍軍 你可以抓綠軍綠軍都不抓 藍軍拼命抓為了選舉的事情拼命介入 司法界選委員不要選舉到了到處抹黑沒有意思的事你講的 |
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你真的不是圖利就是飯桶講到你痛處所以你跟我吵架沒有我沒有飯桶我沒有圖利你飯桶或是圖利我可以講嗎不是圖利不可以講衛福部不是圖利就是飯桶 |
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你對廢死態度怎麼樣財務委員說廢死不是目標陳菊人權會成立廢死的推動工作項目 |
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有院長說廢除死刑是我們努力的目標啊所以民進黨推動廢死在路上在路上在哪裡在路上在路上啊黨綱把它查一查有廢死啊今天來講為什麼可以拖28個、38個、37個38、37都一樣 whatever很多為什麼這樣就是因為你們用一個叫死刑執行規則 |
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在這裡公開呼籲大家反對被死的人票投侯友宇、張少康 |
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好 謝謝 |