| IVOD_ID |
149080 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149080 |
| 日期 |
2024-01-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
臨時會院會-10-8-1-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第10屆第8會期第1次臨時會第1次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
10 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
8 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.臨時會會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第10屆第8會期第1次臨時會第1次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-01-09T10:16:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-01-09T10:31:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7594f10b9bbee6895ef549683f2e1b06826b98f121effac12be4303bcf228b50083e376bc3f8e2a55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:16:38 - 10:31:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-01-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第10屆第8會期第1次臨時會第1次會議（事由：行政院院長提出「是否公布高端合約？是否圖利廠商及危害全民健康權益？」等相關事宜專案報告並備質詢） |
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林委員俊憲：（10時16分）謝謝主席，本席邀請我們行政院陳院長。 |
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主席：院長請。 |
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林委員俊憲：衛福部部長及法務部部長。 |
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主席：法務部部長請。 |
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陳院長建仁：林委員好。 |
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林委員俊憲：院長好。院長，想不到我們到2024年第一次在立法院開會還在討論高端疫苗的事情，高端疫苗這個事情討論了兩年多，光是行政院院長的報告就有3次，你今天第4次來，光是在委員會的專案報告就有16次了，委員會的調閱就有2次，國民黨的召委蔣萬安主持，契約就拿出來看嘛！對不對？ |
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陳院長建仁：對。 |
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林委員俊憲：有沒有看過？看2遍啦！看過2次。 |
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陳院長建仁：對啊！ |
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林委員俊憲：蔣萬安主持的會議，所以有什麼樣的弊案就告了63個案，有關司法偵辦，法務部長在這裡，全部都是沒有不法，偵結不起訴嘛！國民黨如果有問題就去告啊！今天為什麼叫你來？所以你要有耐心一點啦！我覺得他們是為了選舉，選舉要輸了，選舉必敗啦！一定會大敗啦！想要用高端案再來轉移焦點，黔驢技窮，沒招了用這種爛招啦！所以你今天解釋得再清楚、你今天說明得再好，他們一樣不會接受，就是要來辱罵你，要給你丟泥巴、抹黑你啦！所以你要忍耐一下啦！ |
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陳院長建仁：好。 |
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林委員俊憲：這是他們的選舉動作啦！國民黨真的有心要查，我剛上台以前看了一下啦，38席的國民黨委員只來23席，還有40%的國民黨立委沒有來，還是我們民進黨幫忙它動員今天才可以成會，真的有心要查就全部來啊！負責任一點啊！國民黨立委連國民黨黨團自己都叫不過來，叫他開會都不來，他們今天要求開這個題目，以為民進黨會把它封殺，選前4天開什麼臨時會？討論一個已經兩年多來，我剛才說的再說一次，行政院長專案報告3次，委員會專案報告16次，委員會調閱2次，司法查了63個案子全部不起訴，選前4天還來開這個會，為什麼？當然為了選舉，它以為民進黨把它否決掉，讓會開不成，然後就說民進黨害怕，民進黨要隱瞞，想不到我們就直球對決嘛！就讓陳建仁院長來講清楚，讓在野黨來質詢，只是你講得再好、你說得再清楚，他們一樣不接受啦！因為你剛才有提到，契約為什麼不能公布？我們好像跟每一個……當時搶購疫苗，全世界都在搶，在契約裡面他們都有要求保密的年限，好啦！高端就算我們現在請它公布，它不公布，如果它董事會開了一樣不公布，5年後我們就有權利公布了，是不是這樣？衛福部部長，是不是這樣子？ |
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薛部長瑞元：最慢就是5年。 |
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林委員俊憲：5年嘛，對不對？ |
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陳院長建仁：對啊！ |
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林委員俊憲：所以我們現在請它公布，對不對？ |
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薛部長瑞元：對。 |
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林委員俊憲：我們不是只針對高端有保密條款。 |
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薛部長瑞元：所有的都有。 |
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林委員俊憲：AZ、高端保密幾年？5年。 |
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薛部長瑞元：5年。 |
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林委員俊憲：我理解這樣對不對？ |
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薛部長瑞元：對。 |
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林委員俊憲：因為你們以前都報告過了，我都有印象啦！Novavax保密7年，對不對？ |
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薛部長瑞元：7年，對。 |
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林委員俊憲：BNT是10年。 |
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薛部長瑞元：10年。 |
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陳院長建仁：對。 |
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林委員俊憲：莫德納賣我們時要求永遠不能公布。 |
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薛部長瑞元：對。 |
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陳院長建仁：對。 |
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林委員俊憲：我們那時候為了搶莫德納，大家說要注射莫德納，所以我們只好也是簽了，我們就永遠不能公布嘛！在立法院委員會調閱的時候，國民黨說有一些東西塗黑，但是最重要的數字後來都有浮現出來，疫苗的單價、疫苗的數量，然後政府花了多少錢，這才是最重要的。還在吵這個事情！不要妄想用高端疫苗案當作是凱旋苑這個剝皮寮的遮羞布，今天浪費行政和立法的資源找你們來這裡，討論過那麼多次還在討論，這有問題就去告嘛！我再請問院長，你剛剛說你要說清楚，查了那麼多，高端的股價異常有沒有人為炒作？政府目前的司法調查狀況怎麼樣？哪一位可以報告？法務部部長可以報告一下嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：在高端的相關案件涉及不法的部分，其實檢調單位曾經有調查，士林地檢署對於食藥署的疫苗審查專家劉醫師，他洩密高端好的研究成果給他的太太施醫師，因此犯了內線交易，經過士林地院判決有期徒刑3個月、緩刑2年，有期徒刑1年6個月、緩刑4年，這部分都已經有所定案，如果真有不法的時候，我們一定查到底，這是絕對不會有所收手的，我們一定會全力以赴，政府是這樣來看待高端的情形。我剛才講過，民間提出63件對於陳時中圖利、瀆職的控訴，臺北地檢署經過調查以後查無不法，全數簽結，所以在這裡我們已經經過這些很嚴謹的事情，而且地檢署就是完全按照這樣的方式，很認真在查緝相關可能被提及的弊案，但是完全都是查無不法，然後完全簽結。這件事情我覺得我完全同意委員，現在才提出來完全就是一個選舉的炒作。不過講到選舉的炒作，我可以講一下嗎？ |
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林委員俊憲：可以。 |
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陳院長建仁：我們來看看，當COVID-19剛剛開始進入臺灣的時候，我們的在野黨還有境外勢力的協力者怎麼說？他們說我們要跟中國一樣看待，我們一定要封城、我們一定要普篩、我們一定要停班停課、我們一定要停工，好在我們當時的中央流行疫情指揮中心說不是！我們要做好邊境管控、我們要做好疫調、我們要做好居家隔離及居家檢疫，結果我們在2020年365天裡面有兩百五十多天零確診，全世界大為驚艷，而且我們的經濟在那時候是全世界成長率最高的兩個國家之一，美國也是這樣來稱讚，美國的經濟研究所也說臺灣做得最好，死亡率最低而經濟負成長最少，也就是有正成長的一個國家，全世界第一名喔！但到了2021年我們開始在談疫苗的時候，有多少在野黨還有境外勢力的附和者說要買中國的疫苗？中國的疫苗是效價最低的，智利買了中國的疫苗以後，疫情繼續上升，直到打BNT才下來，澳洲跟香港也打了這個疫苗，然後不得不打BNT的疫苗。幸好當時我們是蔡總統贏得2020年的選舉，幸好國會過半，要不的話，我們的防疫特別條例、我們的疫後特別條例要通過，我看還是百般刁難。 |
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我們當時幸好沒有買國藥跟科興，你如果買了以後，像中國一樣連續三年，處處在封城，天天在普篩，然後經濟蕭條，就會隨著中國沉淪。 |
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好，那個時候因為有很多民眾為了一些附和者說AZ有很多副作用，就不敢打預防針，不敢打預防針的結果，臺灣現在有好的疫苗，副作用比較低的高端，欸！他偏偏去抹黑它，讓怕有副作用的人也不打高端，結果呢？臺灣70歲以上的老人家只有七成五打預防針，你看看日本、韓國，還有新加坡，都到九成五以上，所以我們臺灣死亡的人大部分都是沒有打預防針的這些老人家，一個錯誤的建議、一個抹黑、謾罵，使得臺灣有多少老人家因此而死亡，這實在是令我很痛心！可以這樣嗎？可以為了政治利益，使得我們國人不願意去打預防針，可以嗎？現在選舉到了，還要繼續謾罵，現在要鼓勵大家打XBB，這樣子一講，老人家又不去打了，誰要負責任？所以我覺得這一些在野黨實在是…… |
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幸好，你看看，如果不是蔡總統連任，不是國會過半，如果韓國瑜選上了總統，如果其他的在野黨過半的時候，臺灣不會有今天這樣的局面，這是我今天很沉痛地要講，高端疫苗是多好的疫苗，動物實驗、臨床一期、臨床二期都做得那麼成功，在世界一流的雜誌上發表，偏偏要抹黑，讓臺灣的人民不願意去接種，這是副作用最低的，你讓那些怕副作用的老人家不打，於心何忍啊！真的，今天我實在是，大家說我激動，我這樣激動的原因就是，這樣依附中國的作法很可能使得臺灣是很沉淪的，跟著中國一起沉淪。 |
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所以臺灣在這三年，我們的經濟GDP是連續三年最高的，而且我們的外銷也是最高的，所以我們才有很好的歲入歲出盈餘，連續五年超過1,000億，2022年可以到達5,000億，這是全民努力的成果。但是在野黨為了政治利益，可以這樣抹煞我們全民的努力，可以抹煞所有防疫一線的人員，這2,300萬個無名英雄的功績可以這樣抹煞嗎？今天我實在是太難過了！ |
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林委員俊憲：院長，你也辛苦了！但是，我們也知道在當時，臺灣防疫成績確實是全世界肯定，光是海外的臺灣人跑回臺灣國內，回來避難的，當時估計就至少100萬。 |
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陳院長建仁：是啊！ |
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林委員俊憲：有能力的都跑回臺灣來，臺灣那時候二百多天是零確診，是全世界最安全的地方。當時需要注射疫苗的時候，國民黨還強力要求說不可以歧視中國疫苗，你剛有提到嘛！對不對？ |
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陳院長建仁：對啊！ |
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林委員俊憲：要求政府要進口中國疫苗來打，中國人自己都不打他們的疫苗啦！有能力的中國人他們還是要打輝瑞啦！他們自己的疫苗他們也不敢打啦！但不管如何，回歸到今天在野黨再來搞這個所謂的高端疫苗什麼契約啦！完全就是為了選舉操作，完全為了要轉移焦點。既然會已經開了，民進黨協助，會才開得成，要求要開會的是國民黨，自己的立委也不來開會，還是民進黨幫它動員，現在會議才開得成，疫苗也不是沒有討論過，我剛剛就提過了，這二年多來開了幾十次會議，當時委員會調閱的時候，立法院衛環委員會的每一個立委都看過契約，他們說有塗黑，塗黑的部分我認為主要就是價格、數量等等那些東西嘛！後來，高端自己也有片面的一些公布。再說，如果真的它們公司拒絕公布，那五年後這個東西大家還是看得到，但是如果契約有限定，就像我們剛提的，AZ、高端說5年，Novavax說7年，BNT要求10年，莫德納要求我們永遠不能公布，那我搞不懂耶！大家可以要求、在野黨可以要求政府去做一個違反契約、違法的事情嗎？就這麼簡單啊，是不是這樣？任何人都有可能執政啦，任何政黨執政，你可以簽一個合約，然後自己違背這個契約，這顯不合理嘛！但是重點資訊也不是沒有討論過，不是這樣嗎？沒關係啦！這是你行政院長的職責，你到立法院來，就把該解釋的解釋、該說明的說明。 |
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陳院長建仁：我會。 |
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林委員俊憲：但是你講得再好、說明得再清楚，他們還是不會接受，所以院長不要生氣。 |
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陳院長建仁：沒有，我沒有生氣，我是認為臺灣人的生命很重要、健康的保護很重要，在這樣的情況下，我們真的是希望朝野都能夠團結一致，使得臺灣的防疫工作做得越來越好，而不要去抹黑臺灣很難得做出來的好疫苗，使得很多民眾因為它被抹黑的關係而沒辦法使用，導致喪失了很多生命，說老實話，這件事情我到現在是沒辦法接受的。 |
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林委員俊憲：好，謝謝，院長，辛苦你了。 |
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陳院長建仁：不會啦，我們一定努力按照委員的意見，在這裡來好好回答問題。 |
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林委員俊憲：選舉到了都會發生這些奇奇怪怪的事情。 |
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陳院長建仁：對，我也希望全民大家團結一致抗疫。在這裡我還要再呼籲一下，希望大家都能夠去打XBB的COVID-19的預防針，因為中國大陸現在有JN.1的新病毒株出來，針對這個病毒株，XBB的疫苗才會有效，以往打的不會有效果。我也希望大家不要再去抹黑，並且好好地去做好預防接種，才是全民之福。 |
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林委員俊憲：好，謝謝院長、謝謝兩位部長。 |
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陳院長建仁：謝謝。 |
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林委員俊憲：謝謝主席。 |
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主席：謝謝林委員。 |
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接下來請賴委員士葆質詢。 |
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| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
臨時會院會-10-8-1-1 |
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游錫堃 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
邱顯智 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
邱臣遠 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
曾銘宗 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
林俊憲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
邱泰源 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
蔡適應 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
吳斯懷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
洪申翰 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
游毓蘭 |
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莊瑞雄 |
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李德維 |
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吳玉琴 |
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立法院第10屆第8會期第1次臨時會第1次會議紀錄 |
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施政質詢
行政院院長提出「是否公布高端合約？是否圖利廠商及危害全民健康權益？」等相關事宜專案報
告並備質詢─ 詢答完畢─ |
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謝主席本席邀請我們行政院陳院長院長請衛福部長法務部部長法務部部長請議員好院長好院長想不到我們到2024年第一次在立法院開會還在討論高端疫苗的事情高端疫苗啊這個事情討論了兩年多啦光是行政院院長的報告就有三次 |
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你今天第4次來光是在委員會的專案報告就有16次在委員會的調閱就有兩次國民黨的召委蔣萬恩主持契約拿出來看嘛對不對對有沒有看過看兩遍啦看過兩次啦對阿蔣萬恩主持的會議啦所以有什麼樣的弊案是告了63個案司法偵辦法務部長在那 |
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全部都是沒有佈罰貞潔不起訴說不定有問題還要求今天為什麼叫你來所以你要有耐心一點我覺得他們是為了選舉選舉必敗一定要大敗想要用高端案再來轉移焦點潛於自窮沒有辦法我們用這個奧步所以你今天解釋得再清楚 |
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你今天說明的再好 他們一樣不會接受啦這是要來辱罵你啦 要給你丟泥巴抹黑你啦所以你要忍耐一下啦好 這是他們的選舉動作啦國民黨真的有心要查啦我剛上台以前看一下啦38席的國民黨委員啦 只來23席啦還有40%的國民黨立委沒有來啦還是我們民進黨幫忙他動員今天才可以成會啦 |
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行政院長專案報告3次委員會專案報告16次 |
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委員會調閱兩次司法查了63個案子全部不起訴選前4天還在開這個會為了什麼為了選舉他以為民進黨把他火絕掉讓會開不成然後就說民進黨害怕民進黨要隱瞞想不到我們就只求對決就讓承建的院長來講清楚讓在野黨來質詢 |
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只是你講的再好你說的再清楚他們一樣不接受因為你剛有提到啦契約為什麼不能公布我們好像跟每一個當時搶購疫苗全世界都在搶契約裡面啊他們都有要求保命的年限好啦高端就算我們現在請他公布他不公布如果他董事會開了一樣不公布那五年後我們就有權利公布了嗎是不是這樣子委員會部長是不是這樣子 |
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最慢就是五年嘛五年嘛 對不對所以我們現在請他公布嘛 對不對我們現在我們不是只有針對高端的有保密條款嗎所有的都有AZ高端保密幾年五年啦五年我理解這樣對不對對 |
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因為你們以前都報過了啦我都有印象啦Normal Facts保密7年嘛對不對BNT10年莫德納賣我們要求永遠不能公布我們那時候為了要搶莫德納大家說要住莫德納所以我們就知道也是簽了啦我們就永遠不能公布嘛那在立法院委員會調閱的時候 |
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其實啊 你說有 國民黨說有一些東西有圖的啦但是啦 其實最重要的數字 後來都有浮現出來嘛疫苗的單價嘛 疫苗的數量嘛 然後政府花了多少錢嘛 這最重要的啊還在炒這個事情 不要妄想用高端疫苗案當作是凱旋院這扒皮鳥的遮羞布 |
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所以你今天浪費行政和立法的資源照理埋在這裏討論過那麼多次還在討論這有問題是要去告嘛那我在請問院長你剛說你要說清楚的查了那麼多那高端的股價異常有沒有人為炒作那政府調查的目前是否調查狀況怎麼樣跟南威爾可以報告跟王部長可以報告一下嗎好 |
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在這個高端的相關的這個案件涉及不法的部分其實檢調單位曾經有調查士林地檢署有這個對於食藥署裡面的疫苗審查專家這個劉醫師他洩密高端的這個好的這個研究成果給他的太太 |
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施醫師因此因為犯了內線交易經過士林地院判決有期徒刑三個月緩刑兩年有期徒刑一年六個月緩刑四年這一個部分都已經有所定案所以如果真的有不法的時候我們一定是查到底的這個是絕對不會有所搜索的我們一定會全力以赴 |
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所以政府是這樣子的來看看這一個高端的這樣的情形那我剛才講過這個有民間提出了63件對於陳時中的圖利瀆職的這一些控訴在臺北地檢署呢他經過了這個調查以後呢就查無不法的全數簽結所以在這裡我們已經經過了這一些很嚴謹的事情而且 |
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林俊憲議員 |
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我可以講一下嗎我們來看看當COVID-19剛剛開始進入到台灣的時候我們的在野黨還有境外勢力的這個協力者他怎麼說說我們要跟中國一樣看待我們一定要來這一個封城我們一定要普篩我們一定要停班停課我們一定要停工 |
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好在我們當時的中央流行疫情指揮中心說不是我們要做好邊境管控我們要做好疫調我們要做好居家隔離居家檢疫結果呢我們在2020年 |
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三百六十五天裡面有兩百五十多天是零確診全世界大為驚豔而且我們的經濟在那個時候是全世界成長率最高的兩個國家之一那美國也是這樣來稱讚美國的經濟研究所也是說台灣做得最好死亡率最低而經濟負成長 |
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林俊憲議員 |
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致力買了中國的疫苗以後疫情繼續上升直到打BNT才下來澳洲跟香港也打了這個疫苗然後不得不打BNT的疫苗幸好當時我們是蔡總統能夠贏得2020的選舉幸好國會過半要不的話我們的防疫特別條例我們的疫後特別條例要通過我看還是百般刁難 |
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那好 那我們當時幸好沒有買國藥跟這個科興喔你如果買了以後 像中國一樣連續三年 處處在封城 天天在補篩然後經濟蕭條 就會隨著中國沉淪那個時候 因為有很多的民眾為了 |
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臺灣的70歲以上的老人家 |
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只有7成5打預防針你看看日本韓國還有新加坡多到9成5以上所以我們台灣死亡的人大部分都是沒有打預防針的這些老人家一個錯誤的建議一個抹黑謾罵使得台灣有多少老人家因此而死亡這實在令我很痛心欸可以這樣嗎可以為了政治利益使得我們的國人不願意去打預防針 |
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可以嗎還現在選舉到了還要繼續來謾罵現在要鼓勵大家來XBB啦這樣子一講老人家又不去打了誰要負責任所以我覺得齁這一些在野黨實在是不是幸好你看看如果不是蔡總統連任不是國會過半如果韓國瑜 |
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選上了總統如果其他的在野黨過半的時候台灣不會有今天這樣的局面這是我今天很沉痛的要講高端疫苗是多好的疫苗動物實驗臨床一期臨床二期都做得那麼成功在世界一流的雜誌上發表偏偏要抹黑讓台灣的人民不願意去接種但是副作用最低的你讓那些怕副作用的老人家不打於心何忍啊 |
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真的我今天實在是大家說我激動我就是這樣激動的原因就是我這樣子依附到中國去的做法 |
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就是很可能使得台灣是很沉淪的跟著中國一起沉淪所以台灣在這幾年3年我們的經濟GDP是連續3年最高的而且我們的這個外銷也是最高的所以我們才有很好的這個稅入稅出盈餘連續5年超過1000億去2022年可以到達5000億這是全民努力的成果 |
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但是在野黨為了政治利益可以這樣抹煞我們全民的努力可以抹煞所有防疫一線的人員這2300萬個無名英雄的攻擊可以這樣抹煞嗎今天我實在是太難過了院長你也辛苦啦但是啦我們也知道在當時啦台灣確實防疫成績啦是全世界肯定光是海外的台灣人跑回台灣國內回來避難了 |
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當時估計就至少100萬有能力都跑回台灣來台灣那時候200多天是零確診是全世界最安全的地方當時疫苗剛需要注射疫苗的時候國民黨還強力要求說不可以歧視中國疫苗你剛有提到嘛 對不對要求這個政府要進口中國疫苗來打中國人自己都不打他們的疫苗 |
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有能力的中國人啊他們都他們要打輝瑞啦他們自己的疫苗他們也不敢打但不管如何啦回歸到今天災黨再來搞這個所謂的高端疫苗啦什麼契約啦完全就是為了選舉操作完全為了要轉移焦點既然會已經開了民進黨協助會才開得成要求要開會的是國民黨 |
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自己的立委也不來開會還是民進黨幫他動員現在會議才開得成說疫苗 疫苗也不是沒有討論過我剛就提過啦這兩年多來開了幾次社會議在當時啦 委員會調閱的時候啦立法院委員會的每一個立委都看過契約啦他們說有土匪啦土匪的部分我認為主要就是價格啦 雖然都沒有那些東西嘛 |
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後來高端自己也有片面的一些公布那我再說如果他真的他們公司拒絕公布那5年後這個東西大家還是看得到但是如果契約有限定就像我們剛提的AZ高端說5年Normal Vax 7年BND要求10年莫德納要求我們永遠不能公布 |
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那我搞不懂耶大家可以要求 災難可以要求政府去做一個違反契約違法的事情嗎就這麼簡單啊 是不是這樣 任何人都有可能執政啊任何政黨執政 你可以簽一個合約 然後你自己違背違背跟這個契約 這顯不合理嘛但是重點資訊啊 也不是沒有討論過 |
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那不是這樣所以吼你今天吼沒關係啦這是你行政院的職責啦你到我們立法院來你就把該解釋的解釋該說明的說明我會但是你講的再好說明的再清楚這些東西他們還是不會接受 |
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這院長不要收集我不是收集我是覺得台灣人的生命是很重要 健康的保護是很重要那在這樣的一個情況下我們真的是希望我們草野都能夠團結一致使得台灣的防疫工作做得越來越好不要去抹黑台灣的這一個很難得做出來的這個好疫苗 |
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然後使得很多的民眾因為他被抹黑的關係沒有辦法使用而喪失了很多的生命這件事情我到現在說老實話我是沒有辦法接受的啦好 謝謝啦 一定辛苦你啦我們一定努力的按照委員的意見在這裡來好好回答問題選舉到了都會發生這些奇奇怪怪的事情我也希望我們全民大家團結一致抗議 |
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在這裡我還要再呼籲一下希望大家都能夠去打XBB的COVID-19的預防針因為中國大陸現在有JN1新的病毒株出來這個病毒株這個XBB的疫苗才會有效以往打的不會有效果那我也希望大家不要再去抹黑然後大家好好的去做好這個預防的接種那才是全民之福啦好 謝謝院長 謝謝兩位部長謝謝主席 |
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謝謝林委員接下來請大委員述言 |